Comments on: Challenges For The Challenger http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/03/27/challenges-for-the-challenger/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=challenges-for-the-challenger n. the principle of good order<br /><br /> "Observe the strange inversion of all order and sense! Dignity debased; how vilely is the function of a consul prostituted!" ~The Craftsman Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:25:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: M.Z. Forrest http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/03/27/challenges-for-the-challenger/comment-page-1/#comment-9761 M.Z. Forrest Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:51:06 +0000 http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/03/27/challenges-for-the-challenger/#comment-9761 The other part of incumbancy is the competitive primaries are usually done early. Not having a negative campaign against you helps prop up numbers. Thus I think we are seeing McCain's ceiling presently. The other part of incumbancy is the competitive primaries are usually done early. Not having a negative campaign against you helps prop up numbers. Thus I think we are seeing McCain’s ceiling presently.

]]> By: adam http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/03/27/challenges-for-the-challenger/comment-page-1/#comment-9757 adam Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:48:17 +0000 http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/03/27/challenges-for-the-challenger/#comment-9757 More grist for the mill: McCain leads both Clinton and Obama by an identical 10 points. http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/general_election_match_up_history " It is difficult to recall a case where the mainstream media was more devoted to building up the Republican nominee, but that seems to be happening this time. He is their candidate, and they are his people." More than they, they (the press) are actually in on the joke: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/26/opinion/26gabler.html?ref=opinion "Seeming to view himself and the whole political process with a mix of amusement and bemusement, Mr. McCain is an ironist wooing a group of individuals who regard ironic detachment more highly than sincerity or seriousness. He may be the first real postmodernist candidate for the presidency — the first to turn his press relations into the basis of his candidacy." "Bomb bomb bomb Iran" as postmodern ironic detatchment: God help us. More grist for the mill: McCain leads both Clinton and Obama by an identical 10 points.

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/general_election_match_up_history

” It is difficult to recall a case where the mainstream media was more devoted to building up the Republican nominee, but that seems to be happening this time. He is their candidate, and they are his people.”

More than they, they (the press) are actually in on the joke:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/26/opinion/26gabler.html?ref=opinion

“Seeming to view himself and the whole political process with a mix of amusement and bemusement, Mr. McCain is an ironist wooing a group of individuals who regard ironic detachment more highly than sincerity or seriousness. He may be the first real postmodernist candidate for the presidency — the first to turn his press relations into the basis of his candidacy.”

“Bomb bomb bomb Iran” as postmodern ironic detatchment: God help us.

]]> By: adam http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/03/27/challenges-for-the-challenger/comment-page-1/#comment-9756 adam Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:34:08 +0000 http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/03/27/challenges-for-the-challenger/#comment-9756 "Even if the weak Obama state polling in a number of Democratic and swing states is a function of party infighting and will change once the nomination is determined, that simply drives home the point that a continued nomination fight on the Democratic side can only work to their disadvantage. The ongoing contest is obviously driving up Obama’s unfav rating and reducing Clinton’s fav rating, so that whichever one the superdelegates select will be badly damaged come autumn. There will be less time for the eventual nominee to shore up Democratic support, since the general election campaign will be starting within weeks of the convention in Denver." Add into this unsavory mix the fact that Clinton's and Obama's support breaks down heavily along racial, gender, and socio-economic lines and the problem is compounded. Much has been said of the fact that if Clinton gets the nomination (highly unlikely at this point) Obama's hard core of supporters (blacks, younger voters, and wealthier liberals) would stay home in large numbers, but little has been mentioned of the fact that Clinton's hard core of support (white women, especially 50+) would do the same: http://www.gallup.com/poll/105691/McCain-vs-Obama-28-Clinton-Backers-McCain.aspx Once can imagine the scenario where, sometime after the last primaries in early June, the party elders come out en masse and mount a concerted effort to push Hillary out of the race. What does it look like? It will look like the good ol' boys club (plus Nancy Pelosi) doing a backroom deal, however justified by the delegate count at the time. The Geraldine Ferraro's of the world will completely flip out. “Even if the weak Obama state polling in a number of Democratic and swing states is a function of party infighting and will change once the nomination is determined, that simply drives home the point that a continued nomination fight on the Democratic side can only work to their disadvantage. The ongoing contest is obviously driving up Obama’s unfav rating and reducing Clinton’s fav rating, so that whichever one the superdelegates select will be badly damaged come autumn. There will be less time for the eventual nominee to shore up Democratic support, since the general election campaign will be starting within weeks of the convention in Denver.”

Add into this unsavory mix the fact that Clinton’s and Obama’s support breaks down heavily along racial, gender, and socio-economic lines and the problem is compounded. Much has been said of the fact that if Clinton gets the nomination (highly unlikely at this point) Obama’s hard core of supporters (blacks, younger voters, and wealthier liberals) would stay home in large numbers, but little has been mentioned of the fact that Clinton’s hard core of support (white women, especially 50+) would do the same:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/105691/McCain-vs-Obama-28-Clinton-Backers-McCain.aspx

Once can imagine the scenario where, sometime after the last primaries in early June, the party elders come out en masse and mount a concerted effort to push Hillary out of the race. What does it look like? It will look like the good ol’ boys club (plus Nancy Pelosi) doing a backroom deal, however justified by the delegate count at the time. The Geraldine Ferraro’s of the world will completely flip out.

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