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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Dignity Promotion&#8221; Was Certainly Missing In 2006</title>
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	<description>n. the principle of good order&#60;br /&#62;&#60;br /&#62; "Observe the strange inversion of all order and sense! Dignity debased; how vilely is the function of a consul prostituted!" ~The Craftsman</description>
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		<title>By: expertlaw</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/03/24/dignity-promotion-was-certainly-missing-in-2006/comment-page-1/#comment-9728</link>
		<dc:creator>expertlaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So this leaves you... hoping for Clinton? ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So this leaves you&#8230; hoping for Clinton? ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Larison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Larison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of that seems right to me. If progressives assume that &quot;humanitarian intervention&quot; isn&#039;t imperialistic, they will keep coming to these same mistaken conclusions. If they believe you can have U.S. leadership backed by military supremacy and expressed through disregard for other states&#039; sovereignty and also believe that this isn&#039;t hegemonic, it is very difficult to persuade them that Obama&#039;s hegemonism is fundamentally not really that different from Bush&#039;s. People always talk about McCain&#039;s veneration of T.R. as evidence that he really is or has become an imperialist by conviction, and I think there is something to that. The people someone admires do tell you something about a person, and Obama repeatedly expresses his admiration for Lincoln, FDR and John Kennedy, the three Presidents who entered into three of our four bloodiest wars. If McCain&#039;s T.R. fetish confirms his imperialism, what does it tell you about Obama that he admires such people? T.R. as President never got us into any wars (though he did persist in brutally suppressing the Filipinos at an appalling cost), and he even negotiated the end to a foreign war.

In the 3/24 issue of TAC, Dr. Hadar has a section about a very different &quot;Obama Doctrine&quot; that seems relevant here:

&quot;In a show of bipartisan spirit, Democratic and Republican lawmakers stood up and applauded President Obama after he delivered a major foreign policy address before a special session of Congress. He proclaimed that the U..S. would support an &quot;independent and free Kosovo&quot; with economic and military aid and would it from &quot;outside aggression.&quot; Dubbed the Obama Doctrine, the speech outlined a strategy aimed at forming close security ties with nations in the Balkans, the Caucasus, Central Asia, &quot;and other free peoples who are resisting attempted subjugation by the new totalitarian regimes.&quot; President Obama said that NATO will sign a security accord with Pristina that will eventually allow Kosovo to join the organization.&quot;

Not only do I think such a scenario is plausible, but Obama has already all but &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/02/27/obamas-dreadful-ostpolitik/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;said&lt;/a&gt; as much about Kosovo in one of the debates.Â  TheÂ most insightfulÂ part of the article, of course, is that Dr. Hadar repeats the exact same scenario for a McCain administration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of that seems right to me. If progressives assume that &#8220;humanitarian intervention&#8221; isn&#8217;t imperialistic, they will keep coming to these same mistaken conclusions. If they believe you can have U.S. leadership backed by military supremacy and expressed through disregard for other states&#8217; sovereignty and also believe that this isn&#8217;t hegemonic, it is very difficult to persuade them that Obama&#8217;s hegemonism is fundamentally not really that different from Bush&#8217;s. People always talk about McCain&#8217;s veneration of T.R. as evidence that he really is or has become an imperialist by conviction, and I think there is something to that. The people someone admires do tell you something about a person, and Obama repeatedly expresses his admiration for Lincoln, FDR and John Kennedy, the three Presidents who entered into three of our four bloodiest wars. If McCain&#8217;s T.R. fetish confirms his imperialism, what does it tell you about Obama that he admires such people? T.R. as President never got us into any wars (though he did persist in brutally suppressing the Filipinos at an appalling cost), and he even negotiated the end to a foreign war.</p>
<p>In the 3/24 issue of TAC, Dr. Hadar has a section about a very different &#8220;Obama Doctrine&#8221; that seems relevant here:</p>
<p>&#8220;In a show of bipartisan spirit, Democratic and Republican lawmakers stood up and applauded President Obama after he delivered a major foreign policy address before a special session of Congress. He proclaimed that the U..S. would support an &#8220;independent and free Kosovo&#8221; with economic and military aid and would it from &#8220;outside aggression.&#8221; Dubbed the Obama Doctrine, the speech outlined a strategy aimed at forming close security ties with nations in the Balkans, the Caucasus, Central Asia, &#8220;and other free peoples who are resisting attempted subjugation by the new totalitarian regimes.&#8221; President Obama said that NATO will sign a security accord with Pristina that will eventually allow Kosovo to join the organization.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not only do I think such a scenario is plausible, but Obama has already all but <a href="http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/02/27/obamas-dreadful-ostpolitik/" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">said</a> as much about Kosovo in one of the debates.Â  TheÂ most insightfulÂ part of the article, of course, is that Dr. Hadar repeats the exact same scenario for a McCain administration.</p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/03/24/dignity-promotion-was-certainly-missing-in-2006/comment-page-1/#comment-9721</link>
		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If this doctrine is any guide to what Obama will do, then my liberal brethren should be very, very afraid if they are opposed to military adventures in other countries that have no connection to our national security (I am beginning to suspect they do not). At no point did Ackerman wonder what policies that â€œdignity promotionâ€ would entail.&quot;

Or you could think, per davegnyc, that Obama is simply lying through his teeth to get past the AIPAC sentinals that guard the Oval Office and his true supporters just &quot;know&quot; by some undefined secret handshake/decoder ring that he doesn&#039;t mean a bit of the whole &quot;end the mindset that got us into Iraq&quot; schtick.  &quot;A mounting sense of dread&quot; covers it quite nicely.  The last time I had that feeling was reading The Project for the New American Century&#039;s website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If this doctrine is any guide to what Obama will do, then my liberal brethren should be very, very afraid if they are opposed to military adventures in other countries that have no connection to our national security (I am beginning to suspect they do not). At no point did Ackerman wonder what policies that â€œdignity promotionâ€ would entail.&#8221;</p>
<p>Or you could think, per davegnyc, that Obama is simply lying through his teeth to get past the AIPAC sentinals that guard the Oval Office and his true supporters just &#8220;know&#8221; by some undefined secret handshake/decoder ring that he doesn&#8217;t mean a bit of the whole &#8220;end the mindset that got us into Iraq&#8221; schtick.  &#8220;A mounting sense of dread&#8221; covers it quite nicely.  The last time I had that feeling was reading The Project for the New American Century&#8217;s website.</p>
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		<title>By: jaloren</title>
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		<dc:creator>jaloren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I read the Ackerman piece, a mounting sense of dread began to form.  If this doctrine is any guide to what Obama will do, then my liberal brethren should be very, very afraid if they are opposed to military adventures in other countries that have no connection to our national security (I am beginning to suspect they do not). At no point did Ackerman wonder what policies that &quot;dignity promotion&quot; would entail.

In my experience, whenever a politician focuses his rhetoric on feelings (eg compassionate conservativism and the War on Terror) as a basis for a world view, then it is likely that we are about to embark on a course of action that has enormous costs and no clear benefits.

We are a country consumed by imperialism, our political class (Democrat or Republican) sees our country as possessing the inherent right to project our military power anywhere in the world to achieve whatever objectives we deem appropriate, without regard to the countries we are invading. 

The rule of thumb I use in determining whether someone is &quot;changing the [foreign policy] mindset&quot; to something better is if they plan to reduce military spending.  In our current context, the only purpose our military serves is to kill people and blow things up.  Increasing the military&#039;s budget means increasing the United States ability  to kill people and blow things up and the only reason for that is additional imperial mis-adventures. 

Obama, like Hillary and McCain, is planning to increase the military&#039;s budget.  Up until this point, I had a shred of hope that Obama was less of an imperialist than Hillary and McCain. This article indicates that he&#039;s far worse.  

What I find even more sickening is that most liberals seem to think the opposite.  As Daniel suggested, they seem more interested in embracing a bad foreign policy to escape their &quot;defensive crouch&quot; then they are about ridding this country of our imperialist mindset. If Matthew Yglesias, a smart liberal fellow who wrote a book specifically condemning American imperialism, can embrace Obama than liberals are in a great deal of trouble (and deservedly so).

If Obama wins this election, then history may look back at George W. Bush&#039;s foreign policy as restrained by comparison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I read the Ackerman piece, a mounting sense of dread began to form.  If this doctrine is any guide to what Obama will do, then my liberal brethren should be very, very afraid if they are opposed to military adventures in other countries that have no connection to our national security (I am beginning to suspect they do not). At no point did Ackerman wonder what policies that &#8220;dignity promotion&#8221; would entail.</p>
<p>In my experience, whenever a politician focuses his rhetoric on feelings (eg compassionate conservativism and the War on Terror) as a basis for a world view, then it is likely that we are about to embark on a course of action that has enormous costs and no clear benefits.</p>
<p>We are a country consumed by imperialism, our political class (Democrat or Republican) sees our country as possessing the inherent right to project our military power anywhere in the world to achieve whatever objectives we deem appropriate, without regard to the countries we are invading. </p>
<p>The rule of thumb I use in determining whether someone is &#8220;changing the [foreign policy] mindset&#8221; to something better is if they plan to reduce military spending.  In our current context, the only purpose our military serves is to kill people and blow things up.  Increasing the military&#8217;s budget means increasing the United States ability  to kill people and blow things up and the only reason for that is additional imperial mis-adventures. </p>
<p>Obama, like Hillary and McCain, is planning to increase the military&#8217;s budget.  Up until this point, I had a shred of hope that Obama was less of an imperialist than Hillary and McCain. This article indicates that he&#8217;s far worse.  </p>
<p>What I find even more sickening is that most liberals seem to think the opposite.  As Daniel suggested, they seem more interested in embracing a bad foreign policy to escape their &#8220;defensive crouch&#8221; then they are about ridding this country of our imperialist mindset. If Matthew Yglesias, a smart liberal fellow who wrote a book specifically condemning American imperialism, can embrace Obama than liberals are in a great deal of trouble (and deservedly so).</p>
<p>If Obama wins this election, then history may look back at George W. Bush&#8217;s foreign policy as restrained by comparison.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Larison</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/03/24/dignity-promotion-was-certainly-missing-in-2006/comment-page-1/#comment-9719</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Larison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m hardly the only one who has &lt;a href=&quot;http://files.tikkun.org/current/article.php?story=20080118144352509&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;noticed&lt;/a&gt; these things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m hardly the only one who has <a href="http://files.tikkun.org/current/article.php?story=20080118144352509" rel="nofollow">noticed</a> these things.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Larison</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/03/24/dignity-promotion-was-certainly-missing-in-2006/comment-page-1/#comment-9718</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Larison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not asking that the man declare in the middle of an election year that he wants to shut off all aid to Israel or take some similar position that is obvious political doom.  I would like to see someone who claims to have a more subtle understanding of what it means to be &quot;pro-Israel&quot; actually, well, demonstrate that subtle understanding when it comes to speaking about the relevant subjects, answering actual policy questions and casting recorded votes.  Reciting the party line about Israel&#039;s right to self-defense as it is seriously damaging an entire country to get at Hizbullah in on part of the country and unequivocally backing the campaign don&#039;t measure up.  

Does it make it better that S. Res. 534 passed by unanimous consent?  I don&#039;t think it does.  Ironically, the resolution called for all sides to respect infrastructure, which Israel obviously did not do and apparently had no intention of doing.  So far as I know, Obama never said anything about that later on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not asking that the man declare in the middle of an election year that he wants to shut off all aid to Israel or take some similar position that is obvious political doom.  I would like to see someone who claims to have a more subtle understanding of what it means to be &#8220;pro-Israel&#8221; actually, well, demonstrate that subtle understanding when it comes to speaking about the relevant subjects, answering actual policy questions and casting recorded votes.  Reciting the party line about Israel&#8217;s right to self-defense as it is seriously damaging an entire country to get at Hizbullah in on part of the country and unequivocally backing the campaign don&#8217;t measure up.  </p>
<p>Does it make it better that S. Res. 534 passed by unanimous consent?  I don&#8217;t think it does.  Ironically, the resolution called for all sides to respect infrastructure, which Israel obviously did not do and apparently had no intention of doing.  So far as I know, Obama never said anything about that later on.</p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>davegnyc, 

&quot;There is a difference between bravery and foolishness, and taking on The Lobby head on is suicidal (at least for now).&quot;

Does it bother you at all that Obama is, essentially flat out lying about a major foreign policy position?  And doesn&#039;t making those kind of statements in the campaign effectively limit his maneuvering room if elected?  After 7 plus years (or 15 years, if you prefer) of jaw-dropping dishonesty from our elected officials on these issues, a little clarity and honesty would be refreshing, indeed, it would be &lt;i&gt;audacious&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>davegnyc, </p>
<p>&#8220;There is a difference between bravery and foolishness, and taking on The Lobby head on is suicidal (at least for now).&#8221;</p>
<p>Does it bother you at all that Obama is, essentially flat out lying about a major foreign policy position?  And doesn&#8217;t making those kind of statements in the campaign effectively limit his maneuvering room if elected?  After 7 plus years (or 15 years, if you prefer) of jaw-dropping dishonesty from our elected officials on these issues, a little clarity and honesty would be refreshing, indeed, it would be <i>audacious</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: davegnyc</title>
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		<dc:creator>davegnyc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;In short, weâ€™re supposed to let Obama slide for effectively showing political cowardice over a major foreign policy issue when he was actually in office,&lt;/i&gt;

When it comes to Israel &quot;cowardice&quot; is a relative term.
 
There is a difference between bravery and foolishness, and taking on The Lobby head on is suicidal (at least for now).

BTW, the best part of this Rainmondo interview is between 9:30 and 14:20, although he continues on to talk about McCain which is interesting as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In short, weâ€™re supposed to let Obama slide for effectively showing political cowardice over a major foreign policy issue when he was actually in office,</i></p>
<p>When it comes to Israel &#8220;cowardice&#8221; is a relative term.</p>
<p>There is a difference between bravery and foolishness, and taking on The Lobby head on is suicidal (at least for now).</p>
<p>BTW, the best part of this Rainmondo interview is between 9:30 and 14:20, although he continues on to talk about McCain which is interesting as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Larison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Larison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 07:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But this wasn&#039;t just a &quot;statement.&quot;  This was a recorded vote in the U.S. Senate.  He boasts about it in his campaign literature.  If he felt that he had to take a certain position under duress and against his better judgement, would he make a point of touting that particular part of his record?  Or do we always discount what he says and does about Lebanon, Iran and Palestine because he is under tremendous political pressure?  Won&#039;t he be under equally great pressure not to withdraw from Iraq?  Isn&#039;t this evidence that he yields to pressure a little too easily?  

In short, we&#039;re supposed to let Obama slide for effectively showing political cowardice over a major foreign policy issue when he was actually in office, while giving him endless credit for taking a politically convenient position in 2002 Illinois on another one when he wasn&#039;t yet in national office, and then take this as a reason to think he would be a good President?  Does that really make sense?  Have I missed something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But this wasn&#8217;t just a &#8220;statement.&#8221;  This was a recorded vote in the U.S. Senate.  He boasts about it in his campaign literature.  If he felt that he had to take a certain position under duress and against his better judgement, would he make a point of touting that particular part of his record?  Or do we always discount what he says and does about Lebanon, Iran and Palestine because he is under tremendous political pressure?  Won&#8217;t he be under equally great pressure not to withdraw from Iraq?  Isn&#8217;t this evidence that he yields to pressure a little too easily?  </p>
<p>In short, we&#8217;re supposed to let Obama slide for effectively showing political cowardice over a major foreign policy issue when he was actually in office, while giving him endless credit for taking a politically convenient position in 2002 Illinois on another one when he wasn&#8217;t yet in national office, and then take this as a reason to think he would be a good President?  Does that really make sense?  Have I missed something?</p>
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		<title>By: davegnyc</title>
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		<dc:creator>davegnyc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I give a huge discount to any statement made with regard to Israel and neighbors.  In that case, Obama is being forced to make these statements at gunpoint, essentially.

There is a great interview with Justin Raimondo on this very topic &lt;a href=&quot;http://antiwar.com/radio/2008/03/20/justin-raimondo-2/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I give a huge discount to any statement made with regard to Israel and neighbors.  In that case, Obama is being forced to make these statements at gunpoint, essentially.</p>
<p>There is a great interview with Justin Raimondo on this very topic <a href="http://antiwar.com/radio/2008/03/20/justin-raimondo-2/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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