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		<title>By: expertlaw</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/03/20/the-revenge-of-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-9730</link>
		<dc:creator>expertlaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll bite. How are we defining racism here, and which of Wright&#039;s comments reflect &quot;open and apparent&quot; racism? (As opposed to, say, suspicion of and contempt for the government.) Are we talking about his railing against the government, and couching his criticism in terms that white people have historically controlled the nation? How do they compare to the collected works of, say, Steve Sailer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll bite. How are we defining racism here, and which of Wright&#8217;s comments reflect &#8220;open and apparent&#8221; racism? (As opposed to, say, suspicion of and contempt for the government.) Are we talking about his railing against the government, and couching his criticism in terms that white people have historically controlled the nation? How do they compare to the collected works of, say, Steve Sailer?</p>
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		<title>By: steve burton</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/03/20/the-revenge-of-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-9707</link>
		<dc:creator>steve burton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 00:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The claim here, with which Maximos apparently agrees, would appear to be that intimate association with racists is perfectly OK, and that the problem with PC is that it objects to intimate association with racists.

I disagree.

In my opinion, the problem with PC is that it constantly pretends to find racism where there is none.

Jeremiah Wright&#039;s racism is open and apparent. Barack Obama&#039;s association with him could hardly be more intimate. There is nothing &quot;PC&quot; about objecting to Barack Obama on that basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The claim here, with which Maximos apparently agrees, would appear to be that intimate association with racists is perfectly OK, and that the problem with PC is that it objects to intimate association with racists.</p>
<p>I disagree.</p>
<p>In my opinion, the problem with PC is that it constantly pretends to find racism where there is none.</p>
<p>Jeremiah Wright&#8217;s racism is open and apparent. Barack Obama&#8217;s association with him could hardly be more intimate. There is nothing &#8220;PC&#8221; about objecting to Barack Obama on that basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard J. Harrison</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/03/20/the-revenge-of-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-9706</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard J. Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your last two paragraphs make two important points extremely well.  First:

&lt;em&gt;What Murray and Obama seem to have in common is that they express some interest in understanding this difficult subject, rather than in striking the appropriate, expected poses.&lt;/em&gt;

Poses!  Second:

&lt;em&gt;[T]he only chance of getting rid of the double standard is to break the habit of ritually condemning and ostracising offenders.&lt;/em&gt;

Well put.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your last two paragraphs make two important points extremely well.  First:</p>
<p><em>What Murray and Obama seem to have in common is that they express some interest in understanding this difficult subject, rather than in striking the appropriate, expected poses.</em></p>
<p>Poses!  Second:</p>
<p><em>[T]he only chance of getting rid of the double standard is to break the habit of ritually condemning and ostracising offenders.</em></p>
<p>Well put.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Sailer</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/03/20/the-revenge-of-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-9702</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Sailer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 08:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama needs a jokewriter, fast. Race is one of those things that&#039;s more hopeless than serious, but Obama is way too serious about &quot;race and inheritance&quot; because his whole identity is tied up in them, and he&#039;s terribly, terribly serious about himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama needs a jokewriter, fast. Race is one of those things that&#8217;s more hopeless than serious, but Obama is way too serious about &#8220;race and inheritance&#8221; because his whole identity is tied up in them, and he&#8217;s terribly, terribly serious about himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Roach</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/03/20/the-revenge-of-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-9699</link>
		<dc:creator>Roach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 21:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s kind of funny to witness the cognitive dissonance of liberal neoconservatives when they learn, for the 20th time, that most people are tribal, do not endorse their radical modernist individualist gospel, and that minorities in particular are looking out for number one and are not particularly interested in justice between the races so much as revenge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s kind of funny to witness the cognitive dissonance of liberal neoconservatives when they learn, for the 20th time, that most people are tribal, do not endorse their radical modernist individualist gospel, and that minorities in particular are looking out for number one and are not particularly interested in justice between the races so much as revenge.</p>
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		<title>By: conradg</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/03/20/the-revenge-of-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-9698</link>
		<dc:creator>conradg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;For years they have been told that context doesnâ€™t matter when it comes to statements that are deemed racist, and now they are expected to accept Obamaâ€™s attempted contextualisation of a controversy.  But theyâ€™ve seen these controversies before, and they know how itâ€™s supposed to work according to the rules that they have been told to obey: the perpetrator expresses groveling contrition for his offense, he probably still loses his job or is shunned by polite society, and then we move to the next item of business.  As Rod correctly notes, there is enormous frustration with the double standard applied to the right, but the only chance of getting rid of the double standard is to break the habit of ritually condemning and ostracising offenders.&quot;

I find this a little odd. Obama is not accused of making racist statements, so why should he be expected to act contrite. I&#039;m not even clear about whether Wright is being accused of racism, or only of being overly angry and unpatriotically blaming America. What I also find odd is the notion that there&#039;s a double standard here. I&#039;m not aware of Mitt Romney being required to denounce Brigham Young and leave the Mormon Church because of its long history of racist policies and statements. Why would Obama be required to leave because the leader of his Church made comments of far lesser umbrage? If&#039; there&#039;s a double-standard in regards to one&#039;s religious and political associates, it seems to be wieghted in favor of the right, not the left.

And this whole thing about educated elites being full of nuanced understanding - what a load of crap. I never went to college, I&#039;ve worked in blue-collar jobs and worse my whole life, and I get what Obama is about just fine. I can recognize a good man when I see one, without all the blathering analysis. As can my colleagues in the lower classes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For years they have been told that context doesnâ€™t matter when it comes to statements that are deemed racist, and now they are expected to accept Obamaâ€™s attempted contextualisation of a controversy.  But theyâ€™ve seen these controversies before, and they know how itâ€™s supposed to work according to the rules that they have been told to obey: the perpetrator expresses groveling contrition for his offense, he probably still loses his job or is shunned by polite society, and then we move to the next item of business.  As Rod correctly notes, there is enormous frustration with the double standard applied to the right, but the only chance of getting rid of the double standard is to break the habit of ritually condemning and ostracising offenders.&#8221;</p>
<p>I find this a little odd. Obama is not accused of making racist statements, so why should he be expected to act contrite. I&#8217;m not even clear about whether Wright is being accused of racism, or only of being overly angry and unpatriotically blaming America. What I also find odd is the notion that there&#8217;s a double standard here. I&#8217;m not aware of Mitt Romney being required to denounce Brigham Young and leave the Mormon Church because of its long history of racist policies and statements. Why would Obama be required to leave because the leader of his Church made comments of far lesser umbrage? If&#8217; there&#8217;s a double-standard in regards to one&#8217;s religious and political associates, it seems to be wieghted in favor of the right, not the left.</p>
<p>And this whole thing about educated elites being full of nuanced understanding &#8211; what a load of crap. I never went to college, I&#8217;ve worked in blue-collar jobs and worse my whole life, and I get what Obama is about just fine. I can recognize a good man when I see one, without all the blathering analysis. As can my colleagues in the lower classes.</p>
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		<title>By: Maximos</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/03/20/the-revenge-of-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-9697</link>
		<dc:creator>Maximos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 01:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;The left may never give up trying to use such accusations as bludgeons, but at the very least conservatives could begin once again to view them as what they are: the tools for increasing the leftâ€™s political and cultural power.  Thatâ€™s the thingâ€“even if conservatives could use Wright to break Obamaâ€™s candidacy, they would be empowering their opponents and reinforcing their worldview.&lt;/I&gt;

Amen, amen, amen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The left may never give up trying to use such accusations as bludgeons, but at the very least conservatives could begin once again to view them as what they are: the tools for increasing the leftâ€™s political and cultural power.  Thatâ€™s the thingâ€“even if conservatives could use Wright to break Obamaâ€™s candidacy, they would be empowering their opponents and reinforcing their worldview.</i></p>
<p>Amen, amen, amen.</p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/03/20/the-revenge-of-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-9694</link>
		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But theyâ€™ve seen these controversies before, and they know how itâ€™s supposed to work according to the rules that they have been told to obey: the perpetrator expresses groveling contrition for his offense, he probably still loses his job or is shunned by polite society, and then we move to the next item of business.&quot;

It is not the comments of Rev. Wright per se that will continue to dog Obama, as virtually no evidence exists that Obama holds these views, barring a minority that is stretching to see in Obama the second coming of Marcus Garvey and Malcolm X.   Obama could have given a thoughtful speech about race relations in America at any time during this campaign. Obama&#039;s speech, eloquent as it was, was transparently political and frankly a little arrogant; subtly shifting from the &quot;Look at me and my pastor&quot; to &quot;Look at yourselves, America&quot; framed in the context of a &quot;frank&quot; discussion of racial issues.  I will confess to sometimes getting overly wrapped up in Obama&#039; rhetoric, and a few days of pondering the speech has left me much cooler to it than my initial impression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But theyâ€™ve seen these controversies before, and they know how itâ€™s supposed to work according to the rules that they have been told to obey: the perpetrator expresses groveling contrition for his offense, he probably still loses his job or is shunned by polite society, and then we move to the next item of business.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is not the comments of Rev. Wright per se that will continue to dog Obama, as virtually no evidence exists that Obama holds these views, barring a minority that is stretching to see in Obama the second coming of Marcus Garvey and Malcolm X.   Obama could have given a thoughtful speech about race relations in America at any time during this campaign. Obama&#8217;s speech, eloquent as it was, was transparently political and frankly a little arrogant; subtly shifting from the &#8220;Look at me and my pastor&#8221; to &#8220;Look at yourselves, America&#8221; framed in the context of a &#8220;frank&#8221; discussion of racial issues.  I will confess to sometimes getting overly wrapped up in Obama&#8217; rhetoric, and a few days of pondering the speech has left me much cooler to it than my initial impression.</p>
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		<title>By: LMaggitti</title>
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		<dc:creator>LMaggitti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve started responding to this a few times, but I haven&#039;t been able to find just the right words.  This is the best I can do.

I think your point is insightful, and largely correct as far as I goes. But let&#039;s try a little counterfactual. Let us assume, for a moment, that the whole &quot;PC&quot; phenomenon never existed. It&#039;s true, I think, that the particular form that opposition to the speech, and the whole issue of Rev. Wright,  has taken would not be present absent the whole &quot;PC&quot; phenomenon.

But I wonder - while the form of the negative reaction would have been different, would the overall negative reaction (in some corners - we are taking, afterall, of a pretty small portion of the population that (a) was favorably disposed to Obama before the Wright tapes, and is (b) not favorably disposed now) have been any less? I don&#039;t think so.

Which really gets to the underlying problem IMO. Independently of what peopel think are the right solutions to the problem of race in America, I think that McWhorter is correct - one thing that this episode has shown is the appalling ignorance in much of white America as to the realities of the black experience in America.  And a less PC culture wouldn&#039;t change that fact.

It is sad, and it&#039;s doubly sad that it does not seem likely to get any better,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve started responding to this a few times, but I haven&#8217;t been able to find just the right words.  This is the best I can do.</p>
<p>I think your point is insightful, and largely correct as far as I goes. But let&#8217;s try a little counterfactual. Let us assume, for a moment, that the whole &#8220;PC&#8221; phenomenon never existed. It&#8217;s true, I think, that the particular form that opposition to the speech, and the whole issue of Rev. Wright,  has taken would not be present absent the whole &#8220;PC&#8221; phenomenon.</p>
<p>But I wonder &#8211; while the form of the negative reaction would have been different, would the overall negative reaction (in some corners &#8211; we are taking, afterall, of a pretty small portion of the population that (a) was favorably disposed to Obama before the Wright tapes, and is (b) not favorably disposed now) have been any less? I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
<p>Which really gets to the underlying problem IMO. Independently of what peopel think are the right solutions to the problem of race in America, I think that McWhorter is correct &#8211; one thing that this episode has shown is the appalling ignorance in much of white America as to the realities of the black experience in America.  And a less PC culture wouldn&#8217;t change that fact.</p>
<p>It is sad, and it&#8217;s doubly sad that it does not seem likely to get any better,</p>
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