<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Obama&#8217;s Democrat Problem, Continued</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/03/01/obamas-democrat-problem-continued/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/03/01/obamas-democrat-problem-continued/?utm_source=rss&#038;utm_medium=rss&#038;utm_campaign=obamas-democrat-problem-continued</link>
	<description>n. the principle of good order&#60;br /&#62;&#60;br /&#62; "Observe the strange inversion of all order and sense! Dignity debased; how vilely is the function of a consul prostituted!" ~The Craftsman</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:25:26 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: davegnyc</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/03/01/obamas-democrat-problem-continued/comment-page-1/#comment-9283</link>
		<dc:creator>davegnyc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 15:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/03/01/obamas-democrat-problem-continued/#comment-9283</guid>
		<description>Yes, the only leftists were elected after horrible political or economic events - the depression and watergate.

Which means that if Obama is elected the Bush administration constituted a third horrible event on the order of those previous two, which seems about right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the only leftists were elected after horrible political or economic events &#8211; the depression and watergate.</p>
<p>Which means that if Obama is elected the Bush administration constituted a third horrible event on the order of those previous two, which seems about right.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Grumpy Old Man</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/03/01/obamas-democrat-problem-continued/comment-page-1/#comment-9282</link>
		<dc:creator>Grumpy Old Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 14:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/03/01/obamas-democrat-problem-continued/#comment-9282</guid>
		<description>The only lefties America has elected in the last century are FDR, who ran as a budget-balancer in the midst of the Great Depression, and the &lt;i&gt;infeliz&lt;/i&gt; Carter, who followed Watergate and sold himself as a believing Babdist.

Is Obama the third exception? I question that, in spite of his charm and rhetorical skill.

Of course, then we&#039;re stuck with McCain . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only lefties America has elected in the last century are FDR, who ran as a budget-balancer in the midst of the Great Depression, and the <i>infeliz</i> Carter, who followed Watergate and sold himself as a believing Babdist.</p>
<p>Is Obama the third exception? I question that, in spite of his charm and rhetorical skill.</p>
<p>Of course, then we&#8217;re stuck with McCain . . .</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: LMaggitti</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/03/01/obamas-democrat-problem-continued/comment-page-1/#comment-9279</link>
		<dc:creator>LMaggitti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 06:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/03/01/obamas-democrat-problem-continued/#comment-9279</guid>
		<description>A few random thoughts on this ... 

(1) I think there are reasons why both McCain and Obama can expect most of the current defectors to rally around the candidates, for many of the same reasons, but I think there are some asymmetries which favor Obama in this regard. The Democratic dissentors don&#039;t seem to loath him the way many of the Republican dissenters loath McCain; moreover, as you and some of your commenters pointed out in a previous post, the fact that the Democratic race is still ongoing in a way that the Republican race is not may be artificially hurting Obama&#039;s numbers among Dems. 

(2) I can see three reasons for the &quot;surprising&quot; defections among liberals. One, the voters may be more aware than you think of his real foreign policy views; on the one hand, his fans like that policy just fine, as I have argued elsewhere, on the other hand, many anti-interventionists on the left may be skeptical of his candidacy for that same reason. Moreover, while he has a more liberal voting record than Clinton, he has, on most issues, run slightly to Clinton&#039;s right during the campaign. Finally, of course, the very &quot;work together,&quot; post partisan rhetoric that moderates love (at least currently) is hated by many on the left.  However, absent a credible (e.g., not Nader) anit-war third party candidate, most of these people will likely come back to Obama.

(3) Finally, somewhat orthogonally to this post, but on the larger topic of who is likely to win this fall, I&#039;m increasingly convinced that Obama has the edge. McCain will put his foot in his mouth on a regular basis during the campaign, and it will start to hurt him (arguably it already has).  I also tend to think that McCain will have a somewhat harder time of walking the tightrope between mollifying the base and not alienating moderates.  Finally, Obama does have some unusually enthusiastic constituencies, which can reasonably be expected to turn out in unusually high numbers. The only such constituency enjoyed by McCain is the press (granted, significant in its own way).

(4) On the other hand, I think you have to conclude that at least some of the Democratic defections are based upon race (perhaps at least partially explaining the elderly defectors?), and it&#039;s easy to see those people voting for McCain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few random thoughts on this &#8230; </p>
<p>(1) I think there are reasons why both McCain and Obama can expect most of the current defectors to rally around the candidates, for many of the same reasons, but I think there are some asymmetries which favor Obama in this regard. The Democratic dissentors don&#8217;t seem to loath him the way many of the Republican dissenters loath McCain; moreover, as you and some of your commenters pointed out in a previous post, the fact that the Democratic race is still ongoing in a way that the Republican race is not may be artificially hurting Obama&#8217;s numbers among Dems. </p>
<p>(2) I can see three reasons for the &#8220;surprising&#8221; defections among liberals. One, the voters may be more aware than you think of his real foreign policy views; on the one hand, his fans like that policy just fine, as I have argued elsewhere, on the other hand, many anti-interventionists on the left may be skeptical of his candidacy for that same reason. Moreover, while he has a more liberal voting record than Clinton, he has, on most issues, run slightly to Clinton&#8217;s right during the campaign. Finally, of course, the very &#8220;work together,&#8221; post partisan rhetoric that moderates love (at least currently) is hated by many on the left.  However, absent a credible (e.g., not Nader) anit-war third party candidate, most of these people will likely come back to Obama.</p>
<p>(3) Finally, somewhat orthogonally to this post, but on the larger topic of who is likely to win this fall, I&#8217;m increasingly convinced that Obama has the edge. McCain will put his foot in his mouth on a regular basis during the campaign, and it will start to hurt him (arguably it already has).  I also tend to think that McCain will have a somewhat harder time of walking the tightrope between mollifying the base and not alienating moderates.  Finally, Obama does have some unusually enthusiastic constituencies, which can reasonably be expected to turn out in unusually high numbers. The only such constituency enjoyed by McCain is the press (granted, significant in its own way).</p>
<p>(4) On the other hand, I think you have to conclude that at least some of the Democratic defections are based upon race (perhaps at least partially explaining the elderly defectors?), and it&#8217;s easy to see those people voting for McCain.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: M.Z. Forrest</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/03/01/obamas-democrat-problem-continued/comment-page-1/#comment-9278</link>
		<dc:creator>M.Z. Forrest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 04:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/03/01/obamas-democrat-problem-continued/#comment-9278</guid>
		<description>While still preliminary, my electoral map has both Florida, which you omitted, and Ohio going to McCain.  I&#039;m not so sure it is liberalism per se that is the turnoff point so much as the elderly Dems seem to have a decent affinity for McCain.  I will be curious to see the extent that the old feminists withhold their support for Obama.  I imagine the number is as high as it will ever be and will go down.  Outside those to factors, I&#039;m not sure what the liberal unattractiveness of Obama is.  Of course elderly voters aren&#039;t a demographic one can just sweep under the rug.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While still preliminary, my electoral map has both Florida, which you omitted, and Ohio going to McCain.  I&#8217;m not so sure it is liberalism per se that is the turnoff point so much as the elderly Dems seem to have a decent affinity for McCain.  I will be curious to see the extent that the old feminists withhold their support for Obama.  I imagine the number is as high as it will ever be and will go down.  Outside those to factors, I&#8217;m not sure what the liberal unattractiveness of Obama is.  Of course elderly voters aren&#8217;t a demographic one can just sweep under the rug.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: arshield</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2008/03/01/obamas-democrat-problem-continued/comment-page-1/#comment-9276</link>
		<dc:creator>arshield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 01:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/03/01/obamas-democrat-problem-continued/#comment-9276</guid>
		<description>Why is a bad thing that the extremes of the parties seem to have less control of the nomination process?  This seems to be to be actually a good sign for democracy in the US.  Both Obama and McCain have moved more to the center (although they cannot be considered interchangeable in their views) and that has alienated the extremes.  The reality is that the polarization has meant that not much is getting done in Washington.  If either McCain or Obama can turn their centrist moves into real bi-particianship, the country will reward them heavily.  Right now they are being rewarded for rhetoric.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is a bad thing that the extremes of the parties seem to have less control of the nomination process?  This seems to be to be actually a good sign for democracy in the US.  Both Obama and McCain have moved more to the center (although they cannot be considered interchangeable in their views) and that has alienated the extremes.  The reality is that the polarization has meant that not much is getting done in Washington.  If either McCain or Obama can turn their centrist moves into real bi-particianship, the country will reward them heavily.  Right now they are being rewarded for rhetoric.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

