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	<title>Comments on: Another Word on the Schiavo Case</title>
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		<title>By: Daniel Larison</title>
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		<description>My thanks to Jeremy and Dr. Fleming for their comments.  The response to the Schiavo case seems to have been nothing other than a kind of mass hysteria, and for that the modern-day demagogues (i..e, the activist leaders, radio hosts, editorialists and politicians, among others) are very much to blame.  I am still drawn to the expression &quot;bleeding heart conservatism,&quot; to the extent that the term conservatism can even be applied to any of the people involved, to capture the sheer emotionalism that was motivating so much of the enthusiasm for Mrs. Schiavo&#039;s case on both sides.  Of course, such emotionalism does not reflect a serious political persuasion or temperament (except perhaps an unbalanced, passionate one), so &quot;bleeding-heart conservatism&quot; might not be the best choice.  

As an Orthodox Christian, I found it most unfortunate that most public Orthodox commentators and even some of our bishops felt compelled to side, almost reflexively, with the more enthusiastic activists in this matter.  As the citation from St. Gregory was meant to show, I respectfully submit that they seem to have misinterpreted the matter.  I fear that this conflation of Mrs. Schiavo&#039;s case with an otherwise admirable and consistent Orthodox defense of the sanctity of life reflected a surprising disconnection from the Church&#039;s patristic inheritance on the relationship between body and soul.  It also seemed to show a lack of appreciation for the extent to which most Fathers viewed the rationality of our rational souls as, if not the sole mark of being made in the image of God, a decisive element in distinguishing human life and defining human nature.  Someone deprived of the basic physical means to exercise that rationality through cognition is someone deprived of a significant part of his humanity.  I would hope that is common sense, and that it is not an unreasonable statement.

David Hart, the reliable Orthodox collaborator with WSJ and First Things, exemplified this confusion.  Thus he said of Mrs. Schiavo two months ago: &quot;Christians who understand their faith are obliged to believe that she was, to the last, a living soul. It is true that, in some real sense, it was her soul that those who loved her could no longer reach, but it was also her soul that they touched with their hands and spoke to and grieved over and adored.&quot;  Going from the rather thoughtless dualism he was criticising at the start of his article, he wound up at a rather weird near-monism (surely he knows that the soul is intangible and incorporeal, even as it is united the body?).  Integrated unity of body and soul became, as it often can for Orthodox theologians, a catchphrase that allows the theologian to avoid taking seriously the consequences and logic of the idea being invoked.  The approach to just war theory at First Things is very similar--the existence of the concept becomes a sort of permission slip for justifying any distortion of it, provided that perfunctory attention is paid to the original concept.  If it can be used to caricature and mock one&#039;s opponents, I suppose it is that much more attractive to that brand of theologian.

I had one last point, in response to Jeremy&#039;s comment.  As much as I would like to lay all evils at the feet of the neocons (and we can lay quite a few there), this episode was the product of a slightly different set of people on one side, undoubtedly allied politically with the neocons in many ways but different in their religion and religious politics, who were fighting against the generally secularist forces, including many prominent neocons, who rallied against them.  (This is a somewhat crude description, I admit, but bear with me.)  Outside of the First Things neocon circle, the neocon pundits themselves took a very predictably secularist, materialist view of the matter, and their general fear and loathing of genuine religion kept them far away from any sort of enthusiasm in this case.  Some of them happened to disagree with intervening in the case, not because they were taking a serious, thoughtful view of the matter or cared about the law, but because they have no interest in actually empowering or supporting anything that even resembles, however confusedly, a social conservative agenda.  The loyally Republican evangelicals make for useful cannon fodder for their wars and their political campaigns, but there is almost no group the neocons loathe more than those very evangelicals.   
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My thanks to Jeremy and Dr. Fleming for their comments.  The response to the Schiavo case seems to have been nothing other than a kind of mass hysteria, and for that the modern-day demagogues (i..e, the activist leaders, radio hosts, editorialists and politicians, among others) are very much to blame.  I am still drawn to the expression &#8220;bleeding heart conservatism,&#8221; to the extent that the term conservatism can even be applied to any of the people involved, to capture the sheer emotionalism that was motivating so much of the enthusiasm for Mrs. Schiavo&#8217;s case on both sides.  Of course, such emotionalism does not reflect a serious political persuasion or temperament (except perhaps an unbalanced, passionate one), so &#8220;bleeding-heart conservatism&#8221; might not be the best choice.  </p>
<p>As an Orthodox Christian, I found it most unfortunate that most public Orthodox commentators and even some of our bishops felt compelled to side, almost reflexively, with the more enthusiastic activists in this matter.  As the citation from St. Gregory was meant to show, I respectfully submit that they seem to have misinterpreted the matter.  I fear that this conflation of Mrs. Schiavo&#8217;s case with an otherwise admirable and consistent Orthodox defense of the sanctity of life reflected a surprising disconnection from the Church&#8217;s patristic inheritance on the relationship between body and soul.  It also seemed to show a lack of appreciation for the extent to which most Fathers viewed the rationality of our rational souls as, if not the sole mark of being made in the image of God, a decisive element in distinguishing human life and defining human nature.  Someone deprived of the basic physical means to exercise that rationality through cognition is someone deprived of a significant part of his humanity.  I would hope that is common sense, and that it is not an unreasonable statement.</p>
<p>David Hart, the reliable Orthodox collaborator with WSJ and First Things, exemplified this confusion.  Thus he said of Mrs. Schiavo two months ago: &#8220;Christians who understand their faith are obliged to believe that she was, to the last, a living soul. It is true that, in some real sense, it was her soul that those who loved her could no longer reach, but it was also her soul that they touched with their hands and spoke to and grieved over and adored.&#8221;  Going from the rather thoughtless dualism he was criticising at the start of his article, he wound up at a rather weird near-monism (surely he knows that the soul is intangible and incorporeal, even as it is united the body?).  Integrated unity of body and soul became, as it often can for Orthodox theologians, a catchphrase that allows the theologian to avoid taking seriously the consequences and logic of the idea being invoked.  The approach to just war theory at First Things is very similar&#8211;the existence of the concept becomes a sort of permission slip for justifying any distortion of it, provided that perfunctory attention is paid to the original concept.  If it can be used to caricature and mock one&#8217;s opponents, I suppose it is that much more attractive to that brand of theologian.</p>
<p>I had one last point, in response to Jeremy&#8217;s comment.  As much as I would like to lay all evils at the feet of the neocons (and we can lay quite a few there), this episode was the product of a slightly different set of people on one side, undoubtedly allied politically with the neocons in many ways but different in their religion and religious politics, who were fighting against the generally secularist forces, including many prominent neocons, who rallied against them.  (This is a somewhat crude description, I admit, but bear with me.)  Outside of the First Things neocon circle, the neocon pundits themselves took a very predictably secularist, materialist view of the matter, and their general fear and loathing of genuine religion kept them far away from any sort of enthusiasm in this case.  Some of them happened to disagree with intervening in the case, not because they were taking a serious, thoughtful view of the matter or cared about the law, but because they have no interest in actually empowering or supporting anything that even resembles, however confusedly, a social conservative agenda.  The loyally Republican evangelicals make for useful cannon fodder for their wars and their political campaigns, but there is almost no group the neocons loathe more than those very evangelicals.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Fleming</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2005/06/16/another-word-on-the-schiavo-case/comment-page-1/#comment-88</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Fleming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Larison has one of the few sane and sober comments on this unfortunate case, and I say that not only because I agree with his position.  The public debate has been a sorry spectacle, and the only side worse than the advocates of painless life and quick death have been the professional Christian activists who have misrepresented the facts and deliberately confused the moral issues at stake.  I am reminded of the well-meaning opponents of drugs who popularized horror stories of students dropping acid and went blind from staring into the sun.  Eventually, such lies create a backlash.  But the difference between the well-meaning physician who spread that false story and the professional Christian activists is that the former was motivated only by a desire to do good rather than a plan to increase the morale of a movement from which they make their livings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Larison has one of the few sane and sober comments on this unfortunate case, and I say that not only because I agree with his position.  The public debate has been a sorry spectacle, and the only side worse than the advocates of painless life and quick death have been the professional Christian activists who have misrepresented the facts and deliberately confused the moral issues at stake.  I am reminded of the well-meaning opponents of drugs who popularized horror stories of students dropping acid and went blind from staring into the sun.  Eventually, such lies create a backlash.  But the difference between the well-meaning physician who spread that false story and the professional Christian activists is that the former was motivated only by a desire to do good rather than a plan to increase the morale of a movement from which they make their livings.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Holmes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Holmes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, I appreciate your sober reflection on the subject, and particularly your theological perspective, with which I am in complete agreement.  I only wish that, during the debate on the subject, more people could have understood it in these terms.  Perhaps it would have helped bring to light what the controversy over Ms. Shiavo&#039;s fate was ever really about:  Politics, not life.

If there is anything good to come out of this sad event, it is, perhaps, that the efforts of the neocons were so unsubtle that Americans finally recognized their policies for what they were:  posturing and power grabs.  Polls showing plummeting approval rates for both Bush and the Republican Congress consistently cite that most people did not appreciate the naked ambition of Congress&#039; actions in interfering with this case, even when these same people were inclined to sympathy with Ms. Shiavo&#039;s parents and the impetus behind the Republicans&#039; actions.  

If this event contributed in any way to the neocons overplaying their hand and earning the suspicion of the American people, then perhaps there will be some redemption to be found.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, I appreciate your sober reflection on the subject, and particularly your theological perspective, with which I am in complete agreement.  I only wish that, during the debate on the subject, more people could have understood it in these terms.  Perhaps it would have helped bring to light what the controversy over Ms. Shiavo&#8217;s fate was ever really about:  Politics, not life.</p>
<p>If there is anything good to come out of this sad event, it is, perhaps, that the efforts of the neocons were so unsubtle that Americans finally recognized their policies for what they were:  posturing and power grabs.  Polls showing plummeting approval rates for both Bush and the Republican Congress consistently cite that most people did not appreciate the naked ambition of Congress&#8217; actions in interfering with this case, even when these same people were inclined to sympathy with Ms. Shiavo&#8217;s parents and the impetus behind the Republicans&#8217; actions.  </p>
<p>If this event contributed in any way to the neocons overplaying their hand and earning the suspicion of the American people, then perhaps there will be some redemption to be found.</p>
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