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Invade The World? Really, Mr. President?

Mr. Big Mouth, at it again: [1]

“The people are suffering and they are dying. We have many options for Venezuela including a possible military option if necessary,” Trump told reporters in an impromptu question and answer session.

Venezuela is in agony, suffering terribly under its evil socialist dictatorship, from which let us pray those poor people will soon liberate themselves. But the situation there does not threaten the national security of the United States or its allies.  Do you ever get the feeling that those who voted for Trump thinking that he would represent a more sensible, realist approach for foreign policy and armed conflict than his opponent are now being made fools of by this blustering, bombastic president?

Thank goodness that there are cooler heads in Washington:

UPDATE: This kind of talk may be exactly what most Trump voters love. The NYT does a piece today about how Trump supporters in different parts of the heartland are cheering over his bellicose rhetoric regarding North Korea. Excerpt:

Out on Colorado’s eastern plains, an agricultural region where voters went overwhelmingly for Mr. Trump, the response to the president’s remarks was one of support, with little fear of repercussions.

“He needs to step all over that little twerp,” said John Stout, 71, who sat with three retired friends over coffee at the Sinclair gas station in Wiggins, Colo., on Thursday. The other men nodded in agreement. “If it had been me up there,” Mr. Stout continued, “I’d have done it a lot quicker.”

Mr. Stout said he did not fear for his safety, and hoped that Mr. Trump would take action to “take out” the North Korean leader’s nuclear abilities.

“Hell yes,” he said. “And they can pinpoint it to where they are not killing a lot of innocent people. That will be the big goal there.”

Inside the halls of the Morgan County Fair, men in cowboy hats passed children wearing rodeo belt buckles the size of pancakes. And Jennifer Scott, 45, stood with her daughter, Piper, and Piper’s goat, Nemo.

She said that Mr. Trump’s stance on North Korea is exactly what she was hoping for. “I think we have to go guns blazing and let them have it,” she said.

Did we learn nothing from the Iraq disaster?

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#1 Comment By James Hartwick On August 13, 2017 @ 4:45 pm

I don’t know how to put links in, but there is a link below to an NPR story from this morning. NPR’s Lulu Garcia-Navarro talks to Isaias Medina, a Venezuelan diplomat who recently resigned.

A couple of quotes:


GARCIA-NAVARRO: Can you first give us your reaction to President Trump’s implicit threat?

MEDINA: Certainly. First of all, I don’t think it’s a threat. This is a fact. And in my opinion, the Venezuelan people after so much suffering will welcome a humanitarian intervention supported by military action with open arms.

… a couple minutes later …


GARCIA-NAVARRO: What you seem to be advocating is essentially a coup. You know, President Nicolas Maduro was legitimately elected.

MEDINA: Well, I wouldn’t call it a coup. What I’m saying again…

GARCIA-NAVARRO: That what he – that’s what they would say.

MEDINA: Honestly, I think they will say anything to remain in power because they have nowhere to run. But what is very important is to understand that we must defend peace, democracy and freedom and fight crime, corruption, violence, drug trafficking and terrorism represented by Maduro’s criminal dictatorship before it institutionalizes a totalitarian regime the likes of North Korea in Latin America.

I hope this is the beginning of the end of Maduro’s regime. Also, I disagree with the interviewer, who seems to be concerned with bashing Trump.

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#2 Comment By Glaivester On August 13, 2017 @ 5:50 pm

I don’t mind how Trump is handling North Korea, which is actually threatening us. Trump is just projecting strength back at Kim; if we should not worry that Kim is insane enough to do a foolish attack, I see no reason to think that Trump is; in any case, Trump’s threat is vague and seems to be contingent upon Kim actually physically threatening American territory (as in blowing up a missile nearby, not as in verbally threatening).

As for Venezuela, I think talking about military options is stupid and Trump should have known better. However, as long as it is just talk, it’s not a big deal in terms of affecting my opinion of Trump. If he were to actually try to bomb something or invade, I would strongly condemn his actions. I’m not saying I would stop supporting Trump, but it would be in spite of his policy in Venezuela, not because of it, and I would most likely be calling for the resignation of the relevant appointees.

#3 Comment By Siarlys Jenkins On August 13, 2017 @ 7:34 pm

My gay pinko Trot friend asks me which side I’m on in Venezuela today, and my traditionalist Mennonite friend who voted inexplicably for Trump and still has hope for his administration gives her answer to that question.

I think there is probably a good deal of truth to what cka2nd says about the opposition, but I also think the Maduro regime is sufficiently corrupt and incompetent that it only gives such opposition a veneer of “democratic” respectability. I’m not sure if there is room to start a united socialist opposition, but it would be the best option. Its a little bit like choosing between “I Stand With President Trump” and “I Love Antifas.”

Fortunately for me, I live on the north side of Milwaukee, where much of this stuff passes me by.

#4 Comment By Dan Green On August 13, 2017 @ 8:16 pm

Chavez didn’t run back and forth to Cuba only to be treated for health problems. Now we have a big Cuba. As in who cares. We have enough heavy oil for those US refineries who can source from Al Gores Canadian oil Sands.

#5 Comment By number before 2 On August 13, 2017 @ 8:38 pm

“Well to be fair given the only politically significant person named Vlad was Vlad Tepes and he died in the late 1400s …”

There is some debate on his death. When the abbot of Snagov monastery asked him why the tomb he prepared and and endowed was so small and plain, he answered “I do not plan to be dead for very long”

#6 Comment By VikingLS On August 14, 2017 @ 9:31 am

@Llurker

If you don’t want a shooting war with Russia, particularly under Trump, why did you complain that he isn’t speaking in threatening language about Russia?

#7 Comment By Lllurker On August 14, 2017 @ 11:28 am

If you don’t want a shooting war with Russia, particularly under Trump, why did you complain that he isn’t speaking in threatening language about Russia?

#8 Comment By Jeremy Hickerson On August 14, 2017 @ 12:11 pm

good post, Rod.

#9 Comment By Hector_St_Clare On August 15, 2017 @ 11:37 am

And Siarlys, which side are you on in Venezuela today, August 13, 2017?

I can’t speak for Siarlys, but speaking as someone who was strongly pro-Chavez right up until the end, and even weakly pro-Maduro for a while, I can no longer support him in good conscience, although I would call him incompetent rather than evil. I would agree with the swathe of between 25-50% of Venezuelans who considers themselves both sympathetic to Chavez and opposed to Maduro.

I don’t care about democracy or about what the opposition considers their property rights: I do care about the ability of the Venezuelan state to provide security, employment and food/medicine/housing. Chavez failed on the first score but did quite well on the second two for most of his term. In Maduro’s hands, the whole thing started crumbling as soon as he took over. And unfortunately, many of the seeds of the disaster were there under Chavez too: most specifically his over-spending on consumer goods and failure to reinvest in the oil industry, in other manufacturing industries, and in capital goods.

This has nothing to do with socialism or communism per se- most communist states in the post-1956 and pre-Gorbachev era never experienced what Venezuela is experiencing today, and whatever their many flaws, they could at least keep people fed. At this point, Maduro can no longer do that and virtually any alternative would be better, whether democratic or not. (Truthfully, given that the parliamentary opposition is dominated by the right and the military is dominated by the left, I’d have more faith in an internal military solution to the crisis than a parliamentary “democratic” solution).