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Progressivism Against Reason

Reader Quizman writes:

For whatever it is worth, the changing culture, particularly in millennial run companies are not the result of anti-white sentiment as much as it is an anti-reason sentiment.

Until recently, I, a middle-aged brown Asian first generation legal immigrant, was at a millennial run company in the SF Bay Area. I was astounded by the penetration of gender-studies SJW woke-types in HR and their ability to influence policy and mould company culture. There were clubs/groups meant for the usual minority groups (LGBTQ, Black, Women) and so on which were used to advocate for recruitment policy changes.

Now, I am all for certain types of diversity that enhances company culture and helps serve markets better, but this group – which were largely comprised of millennial white women with colored hair – was responsible for tilting the diversity debate towards race and sex based determination. There was a conspicuous policy of age-discrimination against older male engineers which often was disguised in terms of ‘cultural fit’. I was shocked when one of these HR ‘change-agents’ came to a staff meeting of a VP and asked one of the line managers (a young American male of Chinese origin) how many women and minorities were in his team. In her world, Asians were not minorities. She was advocating that the manager select latino, black and women engineers first and foremost. Clearly, this is illegal based on California laws, but it is quite common as this recent lawsuit against Google bears out.

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My centrist Irish-Italian American work colleague used to joke that the group ‘Women in tech’ were actually a misnomer for ‘White women in tech’ since these were usually unemployable women (Social Science degrees) who wanted engineering jobs and claimed discrimination. He would remark that the Asian women engineers were invisible since most of them were not promoted beyond a certain point. (How many Asian women VPs/Directors have you seen? They all peak out at manager-levels.)

Many Asians are also angry that the University of California system as well as the Ivy League actively discriminates against them. The American Conservative had the best article on this topic. Many of us legal immigrants, (massive) taxpayers to boot, were outraged when Janet Napolitano used public funds and quotas for admitting & aiding illegal immigrants into the UC system at the expense of our children’s futures. This, in any reasonable citizen’s understanding, is unpatriotic.

I waited in queue for 10 years to become an American citizen. This after two engineering degrees and an MBA from a top 3 US school. Yet, I fear for the future of my children. I cannot even express my angst against these policies to some friends because they’ve all bought into the “compassion not hate” false paradigm.

As practicing theists (Asian religion), we are a minority since our Facebook wall is filled by friends posts that mock religion and religious folks. These people display very little understanding of the philosophy that undergirds religion and blindly quote modern atheists.

Additionally, the turmoil and cultural change caused by the massive influx of Muslim refugees is seen as a non-event. An Iranian friend of mine remarked that such a massive change is cause for concern. “Heck”, she said, “if Merkel had let in a million blonde haired blue eyed Norwegians in, it would have been traumatic. Never mind, culturally alien Arabs.” Granted that as an Iranian, she has a visceral dislike for Arabs, but still, her statement has merit.

Apologies for the long rant, but I wanted to shed light on the angst felt by non-white people of a certain age and political allegiance. We are mostly centre, centre-right folks who believe that there is no party that represents them today.

And this, by the way, is felt across the non-Islamic world. The media might label people who have such views as ‘fascists’ or ‘Christian right’ or ‘Hindu right’, but this movement is gaining steam. Alas, the people who lead these movements are self-serving bigots, but nature abhors a vacuum and the only enterprising people to exploit this market are the worst of the lot.

We’re in for some interesting, albeit scary times ahead.

How can people like us find each other and help each other? I don’t want to live in a world that systematically discriminates against Asians, or Muslims, or anybody else. America’s situation with Muslim immigrants is rather different than Europe’s, for various reasons. I’ve said publicly and in private e-mails to “Jones,” a Muslim reader, that I want to find ways to work constructively with believing Muslims like him, who are not Salafists, but just ordinary religious conservatives who want to live in peace — and who see the regnant and emerging order in contemporary America to be a mortal threat to their way of life. Believe me, I would a thousand times rather have Jones and his wife and kids living next door to me than someone who professes my religion and shares my ethnic background, but who is fully bought into the decadent ambient culture. Same with Quizman, the Asian who follows traditional Asian religion.

Pluralism is a fact of American life. That is not going to change. Anybody who thinks it is going to change is deluded. But as Quizman says, the pluralist world that the SJWs, the Human Resource types, and the professional Left is pushing for is not based on reason, but on pure power and grievance. Quizman is right: you may be thought of today as a minority, but when you get on the other side of the SJW Left, you will very quickly be made into an Enemy Of The People.

I will stand with Jones and Quizman against the mobs of the left and the right. Weirdly, I guess that makes me, a wet reactionary on most days, a de facto old-fashioned liberal.

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#1 Comment By Matt in VA On March 6, 2018 @ 3:59 pm

Granted that as an Iranian, she has a visceral dislike for Arabs, but still, her statement has merit.

Just think of all the diverse cultural, ethnic, and religious spats America is importing these days! What could go wrong.

Pluralism is a fact of American life. That is not going to change. Anybody who thinks it is going to change is deluded. But as Quizman says, the pluralist world that the SJWs, the Human Resource types, and the professional Left is pushing for is not based on reason, but on pure power and grievance.

“Pluralism” is a nullity. It has all of the meaning and concrete substance of the word the left-wing prefers, “diversity.”

I seriously doubt that there is a society or culture based on “reason.” Locke’s man in the state of nature — a state of nature that somehow has no family, clan, way of life, concept of the sacred, etc. — is very nice in theory — he’s a lot like Rational Economic Man — but it seems to me that What’s Happening today is a sign that the critics who say “All this was built upon the foundation of a Christian Europe” (for example) are on much stronger footing here.

I will stand with Jones and Quizman against the mobs of the left and the right. Weirdly, I guess that makes me, a wet reactionary on most days, a de facto old-fashioned liberal.

I am not sanguine that anyone is going to get to stand only with people they approve of, going forward. Even that is a luxury and a privilege that the vast majority of humanity never really gets.

#2 Comment By Cellar Door On March 6, 2018 @ 4:00 pm

If only all of us who wrote to you expressing our isolation and concerns could connect and encourage one another in real life. That’s why we had better get organized, and start setting up online forums that won’t be so easily shut down.

So much opportunity is being wasted by the decadent GOP leadership and their donors. But that’s a feature, not a bug, I guess.

#3 Comment By John Gruskos On March 6, 2018 @ 4:21 pm

“Pluralism is a fact of American life.”

A certain amount of pluralism has been a part of American life since the days when John Rolfe married Pocahontas and purchased African servants to work his tobacco.

But what the globalist / cultural Marxist establishment is demanding is *unlimited* pluralism, and it will destroy America.

“not the result of anti-white sentiment as much as it is an anti-reason sentiment”

Anti-reason sentiment is the child of anti-White sentiment.

California is the way it is because Asian and Hispanic immigrants, no matter how culturally conservative in their private lives, consistently *overwhelmingly* support the cultural left (Democrats and neocon Republicans) against American nationalists and Christian social conservatives.

Only in states with a much lower percentage of immigrants is there a real chance for cultural conservatism in America.

Also, why do you think the blue-hairs are as crazy as they are? All their life, they’ve been told that their people are the root of all evil. They cope by seeking safety in extremism, like those nobles in the French Revolution who became radical Jacobins to escape the taint of being part of the “privileged class”.

#4 Comment By Dan R On March 6, 2018 @ 4:41 pm

I think there is value is realizing that large parts of the Western world are hostile to Christianity (and religion in general), but I do have to question whether the problem is quite as dire as this blog suggests. Don’t get me wrong, I think there is a lot of cultural animus towards conservatives, and a lot of leftists do tend towards a totalitarian view that allows no dissent.

BUT, there is a whole other game out there. Someone who only read this blog would think that Christians were a tiny, persecuted minority. Yes, they are discriminated against in some circles, but there is huge world out there and that discrimination is a tiny part of it.

An analogy is the fact that while shows like Mad Men and Breaking Bad get gallons of ink written about them, the highest rated shows are shows like NCIS and Big Bang Theory. No one ever writes about those shows, they are invisible in the media and on Twitter. But most of the the country watches those shows, and most people probably literally don’t know shows like Black-ish or Transparent even exist.

Now, the prestige shows are important, because they are watched by cultural movers and shakers and do have a downstream effect on the culture, and even on future TV shows. But acting like America is tired of superhero movies because Birdman (which is pretty dismissive of the genre if you haven’t seen it) won Best Picture is definitely jumping the gun.

Again, it’s likely that American culture will become more and more polarized and Christians will find themselves in the middle, and become a minority sort of like Muslims are in France or Christians are in the Middle East. But acting like things are already that bad is (in my opinion) not helpful, both because it gives some people (not Rod, just people in general) a martyr complex and gives others a false view it’s Christians contra mundi.

“How can people like us find each other and help each other?” I don’t know, maybe by going to any of the many conservative Catholic parishes around town (I can think of four off the top of my head that would satisfy the most demanding conservative Catholic), or the huge megachurch with like five locations around town (not really my cup of tea, but they are definitely theologically conservative), or the Catholicism reddit page or any number of Facebook groups. For now at least, conservative Christians just aren’t the beleaguered minority this blog sometimes suggests.

#5 Comment By Gabriel Ewing On March 6, 2018 @ 4:53 pm

“I will stand with Jones and Quizman against the mobs of the left and the right. Weirdly, I guess that makes me, a wet reactionary on most days, a de facto old-fashioned liberal.”

I frequently read your posts and think you could have allies on the left if you weren’t so determined to see the other side as enemies either actively or passively participating in the decline of civilization.

#6 Comment By charles cosimano On March 6, 2018 @ 5:08 pm

How many times have I said that we do not live in an age of reason. No one cares about reason. We live in an age where the only things that matter are force and power.

There is a reason SJWs rarely take on bikers. If you cannot use force and tools of power, you are wasting your time with what you have.

#7 Comment By Emil Bogdan On March 6, 2018 @ 5:12 pm

Raised a raging liberal but now pretty much a centrist, I would also rather live next to peaceful religious conservatives, or peaceful conservatives or liberals of any variety, than childish rabble-rousers. Luckily, since I know a _great many_ fairly militant SJW types personally, I also know that most of them truly are flighty and incompetent, but their voices do get heard. It’s kind of like the Bill O’Reilly factor: the loudness is directly proportional to the stupidity of the content.

#8 Comment By collin On March 6, 2018 @ 5:33 pm

As a long time Californian, these are simple truths:

1) Asian-Americans Immigrants used to heavily vote for Reagan and Bush. (I bet Reagan got 70% of Asian-American vote in 1984.)
2) California Universities need to stop Affirmative Action. I have to imagine their rosters are complete pretezel logic and make sense whatsoever. (Of course the joke when I went to a UC in 1990 was the school need affirmative action to protect white students. I do remember our school had modest programs for white Central Californian students!)
3) I assume some Asian-Americans voting Democrats is they usually support more open borders and many have contacts and family who are illegal aliens from Asian nations. (The Mexican illegal immigrants is dropping with more Asian illegal immigrants on over-stayed VISAs.)

What I find funny is how bad the Bay Area progressives (I am guessing some of this is exaggerated) are compared to Southern California where our area is literally Hispanic-Americans are the majority.

#9 Comment By Roland P. On March 6, 2018 @ 6:24 pm

Mmmm…. if I were that line manager I would have told the HR ditz and I had no idea how many women or other minorities as she calls him we’re working for me because I haven’t seen any of them but rest assured those who submit their resumes and are qualified will be given all due consideration.

My job after all is to bring the project in complete on time and under budget.

The only criteria I am concerned with is there educational qualifications and work experience.

Now if you don’t mind I have work to do. #buzzoff

#10 Comment By Matthew On March 6, 2018 @ 6:29 pm

This is a summary of a conversation I had with someone like he describes: Religious freedom made sense in an era when religion itself made some sense, and post-reformation and given the settlement of the country from various places, religious pluralism was itself a reality to deal with, rather than annihilate the others. But religions no longer makes any sense to me now. I just don’t “get” religion. So, even if I’m not gay, I just don’t get why, if the majority through representative democracy, pass laws requiring accommodations without religious freedom exemptions, why I should care that they have to bake the cake because I don’t “get” why their religion is important or makes any sense in the first place. — End of conversation — I think when I was growing up, there was a different level of respect toward religion and religious people even among the atheists. My aunt was an atheist but she recognized that she was “out there” or had radical views and that you do not marginalize the mainstream. She “got” that religion mattered even though why someone would want anything to do with religion was a mystery to her. We have a lot of young people today who find anyone religious to be like believing in a flat earth. The fact that contortions and twists in knots are made for Muslims simply reveals the inner turmoil.

#11 Comment By Brendan from Oz On March 6, 2018 @ 7:00 pm

Once one notices the prevailing philosophies reject Reason for Sophistry and/or Skepticism (which has rejected Logic since Sextus Empiricus penned Against the Logicians) the underlying unravelling of a society based on rejecting Sophistry is bound to happen – and with “religious” fervour.

Reason is a rejection of Sophistry and Cultural Constructivism (and superstition): the cosmos has always been logical and we don’t make it so, it already is.

A society reliant upon technology that also rejects Reason? Doomed.

#12 Comment By SiliconValleySteve(retired) On March 6, 2018 @ 8:07 pm

In my experience there are lots of people like Quizman and Jones (as well as immigrant Christians) who are natural allies of socially US-born conservative Christians. The blatant racism of Trump and much of the anti-immigrant crowd has however forced them to support liberal democrats for self-preservation.

#13 Comment By Fran Macadam On March 6, 2018 @ 8:09 pm

I hired all the aggrieved based on their talents for the work; however the favor was not returned when the knives came out to dispossess and purge traditional Christian believers. It may be that I was a canary in the coal mine; certainly my wings are still tinged with the soot.

#14 Comment By JamesP On March 6, 2018 @ 8:24 pm

Contemporary progressivism is fueled by postmodernism, which is inherently anti-reason. It’s hard to reason with people who have rejected the notion of reason itself as something degenerate. It’s a thousand times worse when such people are in so many positions of power. The sad thing is that this society needs progress in so many areas, just not what the progressivists want to dish up.

#15 Comment By l’autre J On March 6, 2018 @ 8:40 pm

I will stand with Jones and Quizman against the mobs of the left and the right. Weirdly, I guess that makes me, a wet reactionary on most days, a de facto old-fashioned liberal.

Congratulations, that makes you member of the currently most fashionable species in the chattering classes, the BothSider. Also previously seen in XKCD #774.

#16 Comment By Cavin On March 6, 2018 @ 8:46 pm

I appreciate the concerns expressed here. That said, we have something akin to a three-fold polity: (1) progressivists, (2) pragmatic materialists, and (3) traditionalists.

As a pragmatic materialist, I do appreciate some of the criticisms that traditionalists have concerning progressivists. That said, in the next breath, you’re railing against people like me and lumping us in with progressivists. Progressivists have always been with us. They had little influence during the 80s and 90s because traditionalists were generally willing to pursue their reactionary agenda only insofar as it had a pragmatic basis.

But sometime around 15 years ago, traditionalists appeared to grow weary of that alliance, and began to retreat into their own subculture and to pursue policies that had more to do with “culture” and religion than pragmatic analysis. Differences concerning same-sex marriage and gay rights are the primary cause of that split. Pragmatists generally favored legal recognition of same-sex partnerships and protected status for non-heterosexual people, along with exemptions for religious non-profits. Traditionalists disagreed, and decided to engage in a bitter fight to resist same-sex marriage and gay rights.

That fight is now largely over, but it’s changed the political landscape indelibly. No issue has animated traditionalists more over the past 15 years than the bitter fight against gay rights. That fight has changed the traditionalists camp in such a way that fierce opposition to gay rights is now the defining feature of what it means to be a traditionalist.

I’m a big believer in the kind of principled pluralism proposed by John Inazu. It likely describes where most of us pragmatists find ourselves. But it seems that neither traditionalists not progressivists want anything to do with it. Both are plowing ahead with martial zeal.

I’m not sure where this ends. Traditionalists are rightly fearful at the inroads that progressivists are making in places like the Bay Area. But they don’t seem to realize that traditionalists are viewed with that same fear in places where they make up an electoral majority. In fact, in our country’s history, traditionalists have resorted to mob violence with far greater frequency and severity than progressives. To be honest, I fear traditionalists far more than I fear progressivists, especially when one considers the massive arsenals that traditionalists are amassing.

In many ways, I see pragmatism and traditionalism as a natural fit. After all, we tend to think of both Burke and de Maistre as conservatives, even though the former was more of a pragmatist and the latter more of a traditionalist. But that’s going to require a willingness on the part of traditionalists to put down their arms on issues concerning gay rights. Their decision to fight that battle is what has led indirectly to progressivism’s resurgence. If traditionalists want to keep progressivism in check, it’s going to require them to accept defeat on the issue of gay rights and mend their relationship with pragmatic materialists.

#17 Comment By Ellimist000 On March 6, 2018 @ 11:07 pm

“Believe me, I would a thousand times rather have Jones and his wife and kids living next door to me than someone who professes my religion and shares my ethnic background, but who is fully bought into the decadent ambient culture. Same with Quizman, the Asian who follows traditional Asian religion.”

Good for you and the three other conservatives that agree with you. I mean the “good for you” part fully sincerely and the other part only halfway in jest, much to our collective misfortune.

#18 Comment By Robert E. On March 6, 2018 @ 11:56 pm

Gabriel Ewing: “I frequently read your posts and think you could have allies on the left if you weren’t so determined to see the other side as enemies either actively or passively participating in the decline of civilization.”

The left and the right are largely defined by their enemies. They don’t have a strong self-identity, just a strong ressentiment against this ephemeral other that doesn’t even live where they do.

John Gruskos is a good example, railing against California as if he knows it better than those of us who actually live here. But on a day where I’m feeling particularly moody, you won’t see much different from me when talking about flyover country or the deep south or whatever cultural conservative paradise he lives in.

More than a good half of Rod’s posts, the angrier ones providing more meat to his cultural conservative readership, are talking about people he would never meet or talk to, places he would never visit, schools he would never attend, and situations he would never understand. Can anything of positive value actually be created through this ressentiment? Certainly not any pragmatic alliances.

#19 Comment By Glaivester On March 7, 2018 @ 12:01 am

In my experience there are lots of people like Quizman and Jones (as well as immigrant Christians) who are natural allies of socially US-born conservative Christians. The blatant racism of Trump and much of the anti-immigrant crowd has however forced them to support liberal democrats for self-preservation.

B.S. If you see anything other than blatant anti-white hatred as racism, you are not going to be an ally of conservatives no matter what. The idea that the U.S. wanting to reduce immigration and base our policy on the good of U.S. citizens is “blatant racism” pretty much discredits your post. Moreover, the idea that if the GOP embraced increasing immigration, that suddenly we would get all of these immigrant votes, is ridiculous.

#20 Comment By Richard Parker On March 7, 2018 @ 12:03 am

A people who cease to prefer themselves will soon cease to exist.

#21 Comment By MM On March 7, 2018 @ 12:07 am

“The media might label people who have such views as ‘fascists’ or ‘Christian right’ or ‘Hindu right’, but this movement is gaining steam.”

Hindu right, that’s a new one for me. Sort of like when Jewish university students, in America, have been called horrible things because they support Israeli self-defense.

Anyway, Asian and Indian Americans examples of ethnic minorities that, by their material success, bow a hole in pseudoscientific arguments about privilege. It’s no surprise they’re placed near the bottom of the progressive totem pole…

[NFR: In India, the Hindu right is a very big deal. — RD]

#22 Comment By Steven A. On March 7, 2018 @ 12:31 am

“I will stand with Jones and Quizman against the mobs of the left and the right. Weirdly, I guess that makes me, a wet reactionary on most days, a de facto old-fashioned liberal.”

I’d stand with y’all too if you don’t mind.

l’autre J says: ‘Congratulations, that makes you member of the currently most fashionable species in the chattering classes, the BothSider. Also previously seen in XKCD #774.’

Not ‘both sides.’ A third way. You gonna force us to choose the devil’s left or the devil’s right? Nope. Nope. Nope. Even in the most dire of circumstances, early Christian martyrs did not toe the line. Let everybody else deal with the devil. We’ll go our own way.

Ellimist000 says: ‘Good for you and the three other conservatives that agree with you.’

Touche, friend. I think it’s a bit more than single digits though. I don’t comment here much and yet here I am. And I know several in my own circle whose views largely mimic Rod’s mindset who *never* post anything.

#23 Comment By Alex Brown On March 7, 2018 @ 12:42 am

Weirdly, I guess that makes me, a wet reactionary on most days, a de facto old-fashioned liberal.

I told you so a few months ago! You are a real liberal, not the Stalinist types. It is ridiculous to call the leftist bunch which include communists, Marxists, anarchists… ‘liberals’. Funny, but the poles have shifted so much that religious conservatives now became liberals, defending mainstream norms…of 30 years ago.

#24 Comment By Michael On March 7, 2018 @ 12:46 am

“Many Asians are also angry that the University of California system as well as the Ivy League actively discriminates against them.”

By law (Proposition 209) affirmative action is outlawed at the University of California. As of 2017 at my university (UCLA), the makeup of the undergraduate class was 31.6% Asian, 21% hispanic and 26% white, 5% black. I don’t here anybody complaining about underrepresentation of Asians here.

#25 Comment By Ben H On March 7, 2018 @ 1:18 am

If you want to ease the ethnic conflict (animus towards Muslims etc), the only way to do this is to shut off the flow of new people. There are just too many new people, change is coming too fast and groups are being sicced against each other by the evil people who control the messaging in our society.

To have a society where difference is allowed, there needs to be time and space for transition and compromise. We’re not being given time or space. Instead, populations are dumped indiscriminately just about everywhere, demands are made (backed by subtle violence), and native people are subject to profound disrespect.

#26 Comment By Ben H On March 7, 2018 @ 1:22 am

“I don’t want to live in a world that systematically discriminates against Asians, or Muslims, or anybody else.”

Me too. The important thing to do then is to focus on the globalists who are shaping our insane and dehumanizing world. The financeers, the CEOs, the “humanitarians.” They are the real enemy.

#27 Comment By Tunbridge Wells On March 7, 2018 @ 1:27 am

Rod, I’m glad you said this:

“Believe me, I would a thousand times rather have Jones and his wife and kids living next door to me than someone who professes my religion and shares my ethnic background, but who is fully bought into the decadent ambient culture. Same with Quizman, the Asian who follows traditional Asian religion.”

A very large number of immigrant-citizens are personally very conservative on social, religious, and economic matters and are law-abiding and pay billions in taxes. But they can’t vote for conservative politicians or policies because they think – in many cases, rightly – that those politicians and their followers do not accept them as fellow Americans and do not want them here. I can almost guarantee that each of these immigrants will have a personal experience of racial discrimination or abuse, from the dreaded “No, where are you REALLY from” question up to and including physical violence. This is fundamental – you can’t vote for someone who you think doesn’t want you even to exist in this country. All other policy considerations are irrelevant compared to this.

I lean left, but for the sake of keeping American society stitched together at all, I frankly would welcome conservatives publicly and genuinely going out of the way to tell these immigrant-citizens and their children that they are welcome additions to America, that they are just as American in all respects as Mayflower descendants, Scotch-Irish from Appalachia, and others, and no harm will come to them just because they immigrated, even if their food, accents, religion, and names are different. They are a constituency that can be peeled away from Democrats if only Republicans had the gumption and smarts to do it.

#28 Comment By Khalid mir On March 7, 2018 @ 4:51 am

I have to admit that because of my limited knowledge of the cultural changes going on I didn’t understand much of the writing in this post. Exploit which market? Is it just the media calling these people bigots or does he actually believe they are?

Isn’t there a difference between pluralism and relativism?

I don’t personally see the point of mentioning he’s a “massive” taxpayer or from the 3 rd best MBA school but is there really “turmoil” in the U.S. because of Muslim immigrants? Or is it just turmoil ‘generally’ because the Iranain friend said so?

#29 Comment By MikeCLT On March 7, 2018 @ 6:02 am

Most of the country and the world is not smart enough to construct a moral code based solely on reason.

#30 Comment By Frances On March 7, 2018 @ 6:18 am

Rod’s various threads on culture continue to elicite references to Trump’s “racism”, as if it is a given. Where is there evidence of this?

#31 Comment By galanx On March 7, 2018 @ 7:25 am

John Gruskos said:
“…the days when John Rolfe married Pocahontas and purchased African servants to work his tobacco.”
Whatever happened to those good old days when if you wanted a little more diversity you could just go out and buy a few more Africans?
(BTW I think the word is “slaves”; servants are not usually purchased.)

#32 Comment By Rob G On March 7, 2018 @ 7:33 am

“Congratulations, that makes you member of the currently most fashionable species in the chattering classes, the BothSider.”

Ah, so this explains why Christopher Lasch and Wendell Berry are so popular (eyeroll).

Newsflash: Being a BothSider is easy. That’s why there’s a sh*t-ton of them, both left and right. It’s actually the NeitherSiders who get the flak.

#33 Comment By RealAlan On March 7, 2018 @ 7:52 am

(BTW I think the word is “slaves”

Not any more. It is “enslaved persons” and you better not forget it.

#34 Comment By Diane On March 7, 2018 @ 7:55 am

What strikes me in all of this is that there always seems to be a group in power that is continually on the lookout for nonconformists to punish and purge. Doesn’t matter what the particular belief is. Eventually enough nonconformists come together to create a new group in power, and the cycle starts again.

Some people, like myself, always seem to be on the outside. I guess I am a professional nonconformist, a contrarian by nature.

#35 Comment By John Gruskos On March 7, 2018 @ 9:39 am

galanx,

At first, Africans in Virginia were indentured servants, not slaves, enjoying the same status as English indentured servants:

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When it comes to cultural issues, the only state with a congressional delegation to the left of Adam Schiff’s California is Brian Schatz’s Hawaii, the only majority-Asian state in the union.

Asians may have voted for Reagan back in 1984 when Democrats were the anti-rich-people party, but now that the Democrats have become the anti-White-people, anti-male, anti-Christian party, the majority of Asians are voting for the Democrats.

#36 Comment By Ain’t Ben On March 7, 2018 @ 10:15 am

Clinton won about 2/3 of the Asian vote. There are no signs that Asians – or, indeed, any demographic- are trending further rightward in philosophy or politics.

#37 Comment By Pilgrim On March 7, 2018 @ 10:32 am

Hey Quizman, what was that TAC article you mentioned about anti-Asian college admissions? Do you have a link? Thanks!

#38 Comment By Will Harrington On March 7, 2018 @ 11:13 am

Real Alan

Beteer change that to loborers of bondage to avoid offending persons of Slavic descent. And down the rabbit hole we go.

#39 Comment By MikeCLT On March 7, 2018 @ 11:35 am

The WSJ had an article a few weeks ago and noted that only 24% of CA public school students are white. About 9% are Asian. Whites are somewhat over-represented in the UC system while Asians are massively over represented. The Democrats visions of educational equality are going to come at the expense of Asians.

The right/left divide is basically about how people are to be treated. The right believes people should be treated by how they behave. The left believes people should be treated by which group they belong to.

Perhaps Asians will realize this and change their voting preferences. But I doubt it. As Steve Sailer has noted, hating whitey is the KKKrazy Glue that holds the Democrats together.

#40 Comment By Quizman On March 7, 2018 @ 12:56 pm

The American Conservative article was linked in my comment in the previous post. It is this one.

[2].

The NY Times article on Asians against Affirmative Action is [3].

#41 Comment By Siarlys Jenkins On March 7, 2018 @ 9:50 pm

At first, Africans in Virginia were indentured servants, not slaves, enjoying the same status as English indentured servants

There is a good deal of truth to that, but those English indentured servants were shipped across the Atlantic in chains, and auctioned to the highest bidder on arrival. Females could be and often were raped by their masters — a prototype for later master-slave relations. Many indentured servants were de facto “servants for life” because they died of malaria or yellow fever before completing their indenture, or were simply worked to death.

While in the 17th century, many Africans either were sold for a term of years, and eventually acquired their own land, the separation was over (1) servitude formally for life, rather than a term of years, and (2) distinctions between those indentured servants who managed to survive and thrive after being freed, vs. Africans increasingly bearing the once-common burden of servitude.

What strikes me in all of this is that there always seems to be a group in power that is continually on the lookout for nonconformists to punish and purge. Doesn’t matter what the particular belief is.

BINGO!

Not any more. It is “enslaved persons” and you better not forget it.

That’s a fair distinction. To say someone was a slave, is to characterize who and what they were. To say someone “was enslaved” describes something that happened to them.

It is ridiculous to call the leftist bunch which include communists, Marxists, anarchists… ‘liberals’.

Indeed. Its also ridiculous to lump communists and anarchists together, or to call this infantile disorders “Marxist.”

#42 Comment By Joey On March 8, 2018 @ 2:00 pm

I find this interesting. The whole “intersectionality” thing is based on the idea that all minorities have to band together against all majorities, but just ignores actual conflicts of interest between different groups. In a weird way, SJWs probably find the idea of a bunch of Asian people hired into a company based on merit to be threatening; it disproves their thesis that Amerikkka is so evil and bigoted that only SJW policies can hope to allow anyone but Evil Cishet White Males™ to succeed.

I’ve heard similar problems from Jewish people. While SJWs will quickly jump in to decry any anti-Semitism from the Alt Right, they’ll stubbornly ignore it should it come from, say, Louis Farrakhan or the Arab immigrants in Europe. Don’t worry, chanting “Kill the Jews” is just a reasonable reaction to Nazi Israel’s policies! Explain that you, a properly woke non-religious Jew, hate Zionism and everything will be fine, honest.

#43 Comment By Fran Macadam On March 8, 2018 @ 5:03 pm

It remains just as perplexing as it was when Gilbert and Sullivan noted in HMS Pinafore, that every little girl or boy must be either a liberal or conservative.

George Washington may have recognized how destructive party politics is to the general welfare, but in this, as with all the foibles of mankind, America is not exceptional. Except, perhaps, as the head of Homeland Security put it, “In America, we believe that if something is worth doing, it is worth overdoing.”

#44 Comment By Siarlys Jenkins On March 10, 2018 @ 7:55 pm

It remains just as perplexing as it was when Gilbert and Sullivan noted in HMS Pinafore, that every little girl or boy must be either a liberal or conservative.

Self-righteous bourgeois prigs… what about Labor?