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The Fruits Of Same-Sex Marriage

Australia is about to have a plebiscite over whether or not to have same-sex marriage. Writing in the Spectator‘s Australian edition, David Sergeant asks readers to consider what has happened in Britain since same-sex marriage became the law of the land [1]. If it had been only marriage law that changed, it might have been tolerable. But of course there has been much more — as we’ve seen in the US, though not (yet) to the extent Britain has. Among the results:

Much was made in the UK, about supposed exemptions, designed to ensure that believers would always be allowed to stay true to their convictions.

Four years later, the very same people who made ‘heartfelt promises’, now work tirelessly to undermine them.

Equalities minister Justine Greening, has insisted that churches must be made to: ‘Keep up with modern attitudes [2]. Likewise, the Speaker of the House of Commons, a position supposedly defined by its political neutrality, had this to say: I feel we’ll only have proper equal marriage when you can bloody well get married in a church if you want to do so, without having to fight the church for the equality that should be your right’ [3].

It became clear, during this year’s general election, just how militant the LGBT lobby have become, following marriage redefinition.

I’ll say. You’ve got to read this. And, Sergeant says the gay marriage movement, and its second-generation SOGI (Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity) offshoots, have moved into education too:

Across the UK, ‘sex education’ has been transformed and disfigured. TV programmes, aimed at children as young as three, promote ‘gender fluidity’, as an enabler of thoughtfulness and individuality.

At the same time, Ministers have denied worried parents the right to withdraw their children from primary school classes. Meanwhile, ‘outside educators’ teach children about sex positions, ‘satisfying’ pornography consumption and how to masturbate. Concerns regarding STI’s and Promiscuity, are derided as ‘old-fashioned’.

Independent religious schools are under intense scrutiny. Dame Louise Casey, a senior government advisor, recently insisted that it is now: ‘Not Ok for Catholic schools to be homophobic and anti-gay marriage’.

Ofsted, the body responsible for school-assessment, has been wildly politicised. In 2013, Prior to the redefinition of marriage, Ofsted visited Vishnitz Jewish Girls School. They passed the school with flying colours. In fact, they went out of their way to highlight the committed and attentive approach to student welfare and development. Four years later, Ofsted returned. This time, they failed the school on one issue alone. While again, noting that students were ‘confident in thinking for themselves‘, their report, pointed to the inadequate promotion of homosexuality and gender reassignment. As such, it was failing to ensure: ‘a full understanding of fundamental British values’. It is one of an initial seven faith schools that face closure.

But those men and women who ought to have spoken out against this madness, and who ought to be speaking out now, to save what’s left, lack all conviction. Sergeant:

I mentioned that I was writing this article to a good friend in the Conservative Party, back at home. He expressed his genuine concern. Had I not considered the consequences? Did I not realise that what I said in Australia could be found when I returned to the UK? ‘LGBT progress is an unstoppable tide’. He assured me, that it was ok for me to ‘privately’ believe that marriage was between one man and one woman. He even privately agreed, that the stuff being taught in primary schools was too much.

But to say it out loud? To actually have it in print? It would blight my career and my personal relationships.

Good God. How much more important the institution of marriage and freedom of thought, religion and speech. How much more important the future of our children, than any naïve career ambitions I might harbour.

I urge every Aussie to examine the evidence, analysis the results and be clear about what you’re voting for. If it was solely marriage, it would worth preserving.

It’s infinitely more.

Read the whole thing. [1] This is a clear manifestation of the Law of Merited Impossibility (“It will never happen, and when it does, you bigots will deserve it.”) It is now perfectly clear that those American activists and allies who said that changing marriage law would not be a big deal, and would only mean allowing same-sex couples to marry, were lying — either by intention, or by naively assuming that the juggernaut would stop right there and go no further. A friend of mine told me a couple of weeks ago that two second graders in his kid’s school are “transitioning,” and that his high school daughter came home from school to inform her parents that believing in “the gender binary” is tantamount to racial hatred.

As the SOGI phenomenon achieves cultural hegemony, orthodox Christians are going to be marginalized and scapegoated more and more. If you are a pastor or some kind of church leader, and you aren’t mobilizing your congregation to understand the times and get active to resist this, what is wrong with you? If you are a social or religious conservative who thinks somehow that this is going to pass you by, and leave your kids and your church and your kids’ school alone, so you don’t have to worry about it, well, what is wrong with you?

We have to fight in politics, we have to fight in the courts, but none of those battles will be worth winning if we haven’t fought in schools, churches, families, and elsewhere in the culture to defend our convictions. And note well, it cannot simply be a matter of saying what we are against; it must also, and even more strongly, be a matter of saying what we are for — and then doing what we must to live those things out, as well as to build the institutions, networks, and cells within which to build resistance.

Everybody else, say hello to Lactatia, the eight-year-old drag queen, in this clip from Elle magazine.  [4]That’s what Weimar America’s betters think of as a child hero and role model. The Soviets had Pavlik Morozov [5], the child hero who denounced his father to Stalin’s agents. We’ve got Lactatia.

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124 Comments To "The Fruits Of Same-Sex Marriage"

#1 Comment By David J. White On September 10, 2017 @ 9:11 am

BTW, I think creekmama wins the thread.

#2 Comment By Oakinhouston On September 10, 2017 @ 12:13 pm

@John

“Discretion is required. Historic events must be taught as historic events. Ongoing controversies must be taught as ongoing controversies, and sexual education must be taught as a part of the health curriculum. With respect to ongoing political controversies, care must be taken to provide it in a value-neutral way while acknowledging that matters parents must be provided advanced notice to opt their children out of certain lesson plans regarding sexual education and such lesson plans should only be taught in a health class”

Where would you teach about marriage? In health class too?

It is a fact that there are opposite sex and same sex marriages, and the law does not distinguish among them. It is a fact that many schools have children with same sex parents. They will be there standing up next to you, picking up their children in the afternoon.

The mechanics and health of sex, yes, those belong in health classes. The existence of gay people and gay families, that, you cannot opt out of.

#3 Comment By MH – Secular Misanthropist On September 10, 2017 @ 12:14 pm

@Hector_St_Clare, I think you nailed why Antifa is disturbing. Their ideology ensures mission creep and is inherently totalitarian in nature.

@David J. White, it’s worse than that, he had sex with a woman who couldn’t give meaningful consent. He was clearly a monster.

#4 Comment By Perichoresis On September 10, 2017 @ 1:32 pm

Jay: “The antifas aren’t Stalinist, they aren’t really celebrating Stalinism, and they aren’t pushing for Stalinist goals.”

Maybe not, but they are anarcho-communists, Trotskyists, etc. pushing for violent revolution and an end to liberal democracy.

#5 Comment By Perichoresis On September 10, 2017 @ 1:35 pm

Oakinhouston: “Where would you teach about marriage? In health class too?”

The entire public school system should be voucherized, giving parents the ability to choose a school that teaches their values on these moral and philosophical issues.

#6 Comment By Siarlys Jenkins On September 10, 2017 @ 3:50 pm

The antifas are anarchists, pure and simple, not anarchist-communists, which is an oxymoron. Anarchists historically assassinate communists, communists historically execute anarchists. (Anarchists have never held state power, communists have). They are not capable of pushing for a revolution, they wouldn’t know what to do with state power if it fell on them from the sky. They don’t even try to seize it. They’re out having a lark pummeling whoever incurs their ire. Dangerous, yes, a threat, rather minor.

Hector offers a realistic assessment.

The original Antifa in the 1930s were a response to the fact that the Nazi Party had thousands of SA’s on the streets routinely intimidating people. It was not about shutting down speakers who might have said something that someone disliked.

#7 Comment By Jay On September 10, 2017 @ 3:58 pm

You may not have the interest or intellectual ability to differentiate between different streams of thought on the alt-right, or for that matter between different historic types of fascist regimes, but I assure you the differences are there. They may not matter to you, but they matter to some of us, so if you’re not interested in discussing them you should probably leave the discussion to those of us who are.

Sure, there are differences, but they aren’t really meaningful. They are like two shades of green in a 16 bit color palette that are one bit different. Sure, there is a difference, but not a consequential one.

If you want to waste time quibbling over the difference between the People’s Front of Judea and the Judean People’s Front, be my guest. But don’t pretend that it is really a productive endeavor. That’s just silly.

#8 Comment By Jay On September 10, 2017 @ 4:04 pm

Maybe not, but they are anarcho-communists, Trotskyists, etc. pushing for violent revolution and an end to liberal democracy.

Oh come now, that’s just ludicrous. There is no evidence that any more than a fringe of them are seriously trying to advance those goals. In fact, I have my doubts that you know what a “Trotskyist” even is; this is just you throwing words around that you think are bad.

When we are in danger of Anarchists and Trotskyists having real power then maybe I’ll take you seriously. There is precisely no evidence that this is happening.

#9 Comment By A Believer in the Savior On September 10, 2017 @ 5:03 pm

Rod; How can we ever be taken seriously in any debate on morality when we take an I am better than thee position. All sin is the same in Gods eye. We are all sinners. The constant back and forth gives progressives their talking points. Pray for people in our lives for belief in the Savior. We can’t change people. No one could change me. Christians should be performing small mercies every day. Stop judging and start praying. When God puts someone in front of you who needs help; help. Knock on an older neighbors door and say hello, see if they need anything. Go to a nursing home, the VA hospital, thank our police and firemen. Be humble and when you reach out and help, keep it to yourself and thank God for people He puts in your life. And pray. Repent when you fall short. And pray. Be a servant. And pray. And as in the past some will be persecuted. A small price for forgiveness.

#10 Comment By EngineerScotty On September 10, 2017 @ 5:45 pm

Maybe not, but they are anarcho-communists, Trotskyists, etc. pushing for violent revolution and an end to liberal democracy.

The local antifas where I live are reasonably effective at opposing things–but are far too few and far too disorganized to be a threat to liberal democracy, even if their goals were precisely as you claim.

The threats to liberal democracy that we need to worry about, for now, come mainly from the right–and that includes a large number of religious conservatives who have lately suggested the Enlightenment and its intellectual children was all a grave error, and the West was essentially better off when most people were uneducated peasants who had unquestioned belief in God, if for no other reason than they were given no other reason to believe otherwise, and no idle time to ponder such things.

#11 Comment By LFM On September 10, 2017 @ 7:22 pm

EngineerScotty says:
The threats to liberal democracy that we need to worry about, for now, come mainly from the right–and that includes a large number of religious conservatives who have lately suggested the Enlightenment and its intellectual children was all a grave error…

In case you hadn’t noticed, there’s a far more powerful movement on the ‘left’ that also rejects the Enlightenment and its values, including the very possibility of knowledge, freedom of speech and the press, and even democracy itself. (Listen to what some progressives say when innovations they approve are put to a vote.) That movement also rejects concepts like ‘innocent until proven guilty’ and various others that are associated with the Enlightenment although some are actually medieval in origin.

The only religious conservatives who believe that people should be left in ignorance like peasants are either (a) trying to make a point about how slippery happiness is (I think they’re wrong, but there is a school that suggests that peasants are happier than moderns); (b) ignorant and powerless people themselves, with limited education and prospects. Whereas the liberal elites who make some of the arguments I described above are people in positions of power and influence, able to force us to concede to their view of the world or at least to pretend to if we want to keep our livelihoods.

#12 Comment By ludo On September 10, 2017 @ 8:01 pm

‘In the United States–according to [the American historian] Richard Morse–utilitarianism has resulted in a society reminiscent of the “the sexual groups described in de Sade’s Juliette, who employ each moment with utility, and do not neglect any orifice and fulfill all possible functions in the spirit of the intense and determined activity of the mass culture [of American society].”

Richard Morse, ‘Prospero’s Mirror,’ as quoted in: [6]

#13 Comment By John On September 10, 2017 @ 8:41 pm

Oakinhouston.

Marriage could be taught the same way as a history lesson on the gay rights struggle would be taught.

It would simply be noted that the state recognized marriages between same sex couples just as it recognizes the marriages between opposite sec couples, but that religious groups have set their own standards, with some recognizing same-sex marriages or otherwise priding a different form of recognition before the state decided to do so, while other religious groups adamantly refuse to do offer such recognition, andl that in a state that properly separates church from state, this was bound to happen at some point.

You are right. Some topics can’t be avoided as I had already noted with respect to history courses and of course the fact that one.’a student might meet a peer with two dads or two mom’s makes any parents’ attempt to “shield” them from values and practices they abhor futile, but this topic could also be addressed in a value-neutral manner by again noting that in a free society, people inevitably ably will reach their conclusions about the morality of any given action and ultimately have the right to engage in activities might not otherwise agree disagree with other.

In any event any parent who tries to keep their child in a state of ignorant “bliss” will see that plan backfire as that child inevitably meets people from different walks of life.

The problem which advocates on both sides of this as well as other cultural divides face is that the rights which protects them also protect their opponents. Gays can’t expect the state to protect them from a priest’s anti gay homily or to protect them from discrimination in religious schools but likewise the religious conservatives can’t an absolute right to discriminate in completely secular matters (like grocery shopping or housing) nor can they expect the state to punish them for actions they abhor.

As a general rule I don’t like to quote former VP Cheney but even a broken clock is right twice a day. He said “freedom means freedom for everybody,” a concept more eloquently stated by Kennedy in Casey v Planned Parenthood.

#14 Comment By MichaelGC On September 10, 2017 @ 11:23 pm

A Believer in the Savior says on September 10, 2017 at 5:03 pm:

Rod; How can we ever be taken seriously in any debate on morality when we take an I am better than thee position. All sin is the same in Gods eye. We are all sinners.

You play right into their hands, using one of their own tired arguments. Haven’t you noticed — the putsch is on for the normalization of pedophilia. Being willfully naive with eyes shut at such a time as this is not being innocent as doves and wise as serpents. Prophets of old called out wanton evil as they saw it, such as children being offered to Moloch.

#15 Comment By BCZ On September 11, 2017 @ 5:24 am

I’ve never understood the weird connection conservatives are making between Same-sex marriage (which rejects gender fluidity, and embraces the gender binary – hence, the ‘homo’is ‘homo sexual’…) and Trans-rights issues.. other than they often share a coalition… particularly where conservatives have ludicrously chosen to keep gay couples out of the mainstream. In countries like The Netherlands where conservatives more or less embraced homosexuals, you see far less around the ‘trans agenda’. I don’t think that’s an accident. Many homosexuals are as concerned about the trans movement here as straight folks.

Here, the far right party was inspired by the run of a traditionalist homosexual sociology professor . Conservatism will rise again the instant it realizes and addresses its own role in its own problems and stops making shadowy logically challenge arguments about large enemy agendas.

Honestly, if conservatism can’t mount a convincing argument against broad based gender fluidity… it deserves to die because right or wrong.. it is useless.

#16 Comment By James Hartwick On September 11, 2017 @ 5:25 am

@John Sept 9 1:16 pm

Again, what you write is reasonable. To me, the key is the value-neutral instruction, which is easier said than done. There’s an argument to be made that even time spent on a topic is not value-neutral. For example, if you have an American history class that covers 1945 to the present in ten weeks, and four of those weeks are spent on the Civil Rights Movement, aren’t you already sending a non-neutral message?

Anyway, broadly speaking we’re in agreement.

#17 Comment By Aaron C. On September 11, 2017 @ 9:24 am

Look at the background of the picture, and you’ll find an innocuous air conditioning unit humming along, quietly cooling and dehumidifying the air in the room which Lactatia occupies. That air conditioning unit operates according to fixed principles of physics, with its pumps and compressor changing the coolant from a gas to a liquid according to the thermostat settings. Each mechanism inside it working according to its design.

Now look at the foreground of the picture, and you’ll find a little boy explaining in the loudest and most certain of terms why he is actually a girl. Why he, by operation of his desire, gets to change the very nature of what he is, and why everyone else should accede to his demands.

The juxtaposition of the two is striking. We expect and rely on the air conditioning to keep operating according to the laws of physics, but we positively delight in smashing the laws of nature and telling ourselves that they never really mattered in the first place. In fact, those laws were actually very oppressive and mean!

So now we will conduct a grand experiment to see how long our society can survive while expecting, in essence, air conditioning units to act like internal combustion engines. For the sake of my children, I anxiously await the results.

#18 Comment By Michael On September 11, 2017 @ 3:18 pm

“Meanwhile, ‘outside educators’ teach children about sex positions, ‘satisfying’ pornography consumption and how to masturbate. Concerns regarding STI’s and Promiscuity, are derided as ‘old-fashioned”.

I live in the UK and have children. That is complete and utter nonsense. It also overstates considerably the homogeneity of sex education amongst schools. There is ample opportunity for a faith school to quietly sabotage any attempts to teach their children about consent or STIs (the focus of sex ed in my kids school).

#19 Comment By ROB On September 11, 2017 @ 3:42 pm

Thousands of SA on the streets routinely intimidating people. Quite True. Also true Communists and others had thousands of fighters on the streets intent on revolution. I wouldn’t dismiss the Antifa so quickly. They have already illegally chilled and silenced those they disagree with who are not by any stretch nazis

#20 Comment By Jeffrey Obser On September 11, 2017 @ 5:50 pm

The biological underpinnings of human existence are not at stake here, any more than that of the animals. The gender outcome of an individual’s journey toward adulthood is not related to anybody’s whims or desire. At least nineteen out of twenty people will end up leading heterosexual lives. There is nothing they can do to change that, and nothing educators could do to change that. The stark fact is that gay people represent a tiny minority in every society, and trans people, a tiny minority within that minority. Educators are trying to create an understanding that might reduce the harm to these minority kids that has always resulted from bullying and exclusion. There is simply no such thing as persuading children to be or become anything other than what they are destined by their biologies to become. Sexual orientation deviations are a part of nature, not of culture or social standards. Culture and social standards will, however, determine how much pain and rejection that minority of gender-deviant children have to face during their awkward lives.

#21 Comment By bkh On September 12, 2017 @ 10:03 am

MichaelGC said:
“You play right into their hands, using one of their own tired arguments. Haven’t you noticed — the putsch is on for the normalization of pedophilia. Being willfully naive with eyes shut at such a time as this is not being innocent as doves and wise as serpents. Prophets of old called out wanton evil as they saw it, such as children being offered to Moloch.”

That is good an all, but where is the Prophet? Where are the Elijahs and Isaiahs of today? Yes, you are correct, but the Church, by and large, is too busy trying to fill seats and coffers and Presidencies instead of taking a stand.

#22 Comment By Siarlys Jenkins On September 12, 2017 @ 1:20 pm

The gender outcome of an individual’s journey toward adulthood is not related to anybody’s whims or desire. At least nineteen out of twenty people will end up leading heterosexual lives. There is nothing they can do to change that, and nothing educators could do to change that.

Actually, even with all that being true, it is entirely possible to delude individuals, or whole communities, that something false is entirely true, and wreck the lives of people who earnestly try to pursue a misunderstanding.

Educators are trying to create an understanding that might reduce the harm to these minority kids that has always resulted from bullying and exclusion.

If only that were true. Educators would then say nothing about any of this, except in the very rare instance where they actually found that there was an evidently and self-identified trans-sexual or gay student in their classroom. And then they would to do what was necessary to head off THAT rationale for bullying, as well as all the other more prevalent rationales kids come up with. They wouldn’t be eagerly looking for an opportunity to show off how liberal and enlightened they are by finding one of these rare minorities in their classroom.

There is simply no such thing as persuading children to be or become anything other than what they are destined by their biologies to become.

Again, children pursue all kinds of fantasies and concepts they don’t really fully understand. How adults respond to such childhood games and misunderstandings makes a lot of difference.

Sexual orientation deviations are a part of nature, not of culture or social standards.

Any reason to dismiss out of hand that they could be both?

#23 Comment By Jimmy Chonga On September 12, 2017 @ 8:32 pm

I really find it interesting that the untrained in spiritual realities are easily led toward a trans-anatomical confusion. Their bodies are not enough to satisfy their more inward waywardness and confusion. To manifest their “true nature” exposes the chaos going on within.

#24 Comment By Martus On September 13, 2017 @ 5:19 am

The fruit of a marriage is the children.

Paul tells us 2 will come together as one that no man can pull apart, if 2 people marry together they produce a child that can not be pulled apart.

If a marriage does not produce children then it is not a marriage and if there is no possible of it producing children then why pretend?