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Trump’s Personal Jesus

Did you read the transcript of Cal Thomas’s interview with Donald Trump? [1] You should. Especially these parts:

CT: My grandparents used to play a parlor game. It went like this: Tell me who you are without telling me your name or what you do. We have seen your tough exterior, but who are you at your core and what is your basic philosophy and worldview?

DT: I am a person who grew up with two wonderful parents and a wonderful family and a person who has done well in life. I went to great schools. Wharton School, a lot of great places. Education is very important. I think I understand education. I think I can straighten out our mess in education. And I’m a person who has, to a certain extent, redefined where I should be. I started off in Brooklyn and Queens and I wasn’t supposed to come to Manhattan. My father didn’t want to go to Manhattan for me, and I came to Manhattan and I have done a great job in Manhattan. And then I wrote a best-seller and I wrote numerous best-sellers. I wrote ‘The Art of the Deal’ and numerous other books. Some were number one best-sellers. I guess ‘The Art of the Deal’ is the best-selling business book of all time. I had a TV show called ‘The Apprentice’ and it’s one of the most successful reality shows in the history of television. And now I’m doing something else.

He doesn’t even pretend that there’s anything to him other than worshiping himself. There’s no there there, just ego. I know this is not exactly news, but it still astonishes me that he can’t even fake it.

There’s idiocy, non sequiturs, and sloganeering throughout. But here is the most glorious part:

CT: Every president has called upon God at some point. Lincoln spoke of not being able to hold the office of the presidency without spending time on his knees. You have confessed that you are a Christian …

DT: And I have also won much evangelical support.

CT: Yes, I know that. You have said you never felt the need to ask for God’s forgiveness, and yet repentance for one’s sins is a precondition to salvation. I ask you the question Jesus asked of Peter: Who do you say He is?

DT: I will be asking for forgiveness, but hopefully I won’t have to be asking for much forgiveness. As you know, I am Presbyterian and Protestant. I’ve had great relationships and developed even greater relationships with ministers. We have tremendous support from the clergy. I think I will be doing very well during the election with evangelicals and with Christians. In the Middle East — and this is prior to the migration — you had almost no chance of coming into the United States. Christians from Syria, of which there were many, many of their heads … chopped off. If you were a Muslim from Syria, it was one of the easiest places to come in (to the U.S.). I thought that was deplorable. I’m going to treat my religion, which is Christian, with great respect and care.

CT: Who do you say Jesus is?

DT: Jesus to me is somebody I can think about for security and confidence. Somebody I can revere in terms of bravery and in terms of courage and, because I consider the Christian religion so important, somebody I can totally rely on in my own mind.

Whole thing here.  [1]I hope Jerry Falwell Jr. and Mike Huckabee are proud of themselves.

The prospect of four years of this stuff. Just think about it.

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113 Comments To "Trump’s Personal Jesus"

#1 Comment By M_Young On June 10, 2016 @ 2:58 am

” I will be asking for forgiveness, but hopefully I won’t have to be asking for much forgiveness. ”

How can you not lurve the guy?

#2 Comment By Glaivester On June 10, 2016 @ 3:05 am

Wait a second – so Trump isn’t really a Christian in any theological sense? Why didn’t I realize this earlier? The exemplary personal life, humility, and rejection of materialism that have characterized his public persona for decades were all a lie! This is such a shocking revelation to me that I have to reevaluate everything about Trump right this minute!

Next thing you will be telling me that Bill Clinton is not a model of marital fidelity!

#3 Comment By VikingLS On June 10, 2016 @ 5:45 am

“Given this, Trump’s obvious thin skin and his need to punish anyone who dares to criticize him is troubling. Putin will eat this guy alive and then what will Trump do? Nuke him?”

It’s not Trump who has publicly been trying to pick a fight with Putin for years.

Funny one of the pictures in the Captcha was Moscow University.

#4 Comment By Rich S On June 10, 2016 @ 7:13 am

Lorenz says:

[NFR: It is not my job or my mission to withhold criticism of a politician because my criticism might aid and abet another politician. That’s what hacks do. I have many faults, but I hope being a hack isn’t one of them. — RD],

Yes it is the job to criticize. However, I do not see the level of criticism being directed at the Clinton machine. The server, the Clinton Foundation, White Water, sex crimes, and the endless lying.

Eight years of Team Clinton(essentially a 4th and 5th term) will see more mindless wars, failing economy, persecution of Christians, and the opening up of America to mass immigration from the Islamic world (as is happening in Europe and Canada).

Yes, I am writing from Alberta which is part of a country that elected a mentally challenged, corrupt, narcissist man based on his family name and with the help of the media. I am well aware of America’s important role in the world and if America suffers we all do.

Are you channeling Ezra Levant, or are you actually him? Your description of Trudeau is almost Trumpian in its nonsense.

As for the supposed wrongdoings of the “Clinton Machine”, you sound like someone that’s been inculcated in the Fox News world view. But let’s deal with your concerns real quick:

The server: Having worked in a role supporting executives before, I can tell you that this happened because Hillary didn’t give a damn about how her email worked. She just wanted it to work. And no doubt, probably said that to whoever set it up.
Clinton Foundation: Isn’t this politics as usual? Not that it’s great, but it’s not any more worse than the usual nonsense you get at that level.
Whitewater: It’s not the 1990s any more, and nobody cares. There’s been no concrete proof of their illegal actions, so… why bring it up?
Sex Crimes: … That Hillary committed?
Endless Lying: See, this is just a lazy accusation. People have been claiming she lies “all the time” for so long that you don’t even need to substantiate it. They just nod their heads knowingly because “of course she lies”.

#5 Comment By Hector_St_Clare On June 10, 2016 @ 8:12 am

Regarding Norman Vincent Peale, one of my favourite supernatural fantasy books suggests sardonically that if the antichrist ever did appear in a society like ours, he might look something like Peale, or a similar kind of pop-psychological ‘guru’. From The Day After Judgment, by James Blish (the conceit here is that the apocalypse has happened, and that the demons claim to have won):

“True, but this only poses another logical dilemma: What happened to the Antichrist? Baphomet’s explanation that he had been dispensed with as unnecessary to the victors, whose creature he would have been, doesn’t hold water. The Antichrist was to have appeared before the battle, and if the defeat of God is all that recent, the prophecy should have been fulfilled: God still existed to compel it.”……

“Yes”, Father Domenico said, “I suppose it’s possible that the Antichrist might have come unrecognized. One always envisioned people flocking to his banner openly, but the temptation would have been more subtle and perhaps more dangerous had he crept past us, say in the guise of some popular philosopher, like that positive-thinking man in the States.”

#6 Comment By anonymousse On June 10, 2016 @ 11:56 am

While I didn’ read every comment, it appears from what I did read that nobody-I mean nobody-really got Trump’s answer.

And his answer was that he wouldn’t let the interviewer manipulate him, so equivocated (perhaps in an awkward manner) to maintain control of the conversation.

Cal Thomas’ question was effectively the same as the standard “What is your biggest mistake,’ or ‘What do you feel most guilty about?’ questions that candidates (and, for example, job interviewees) have to deal with. They are no-win situations. With regard to job interview questions (‘What is your biggest weakness?) there is a standard joke trope (‘I’m too much of a perfectionist,’ or ‘I can’t stop working,’ and so on).

So when Cal Thomas asks a standard, manipulative journalistic question (for Cal, its ‘Have you asked God for forgiveness.’ For secular journalists, its ‘what was your biggest mistake’), most candidates today try to come up with some non-committal non-answer (‘I’m too much of a perfectionist,’ so to speak). They don’t want to give ammunition to their critics, they don’t want to create a soundbite for journalists, so they engage in the kabuki dance of journalists pretend to ask a deep question, and candidates pretend to give a deep answer. Sound bite does or does not follow.

Trump didn’t play the game. Whether he managed that particular game well or not is debatable (it certainly doesn’t appear so; on the other hand, there’s no ‘soundbite,’ so he can probably feel pretty good about himself). Whether there really is any inner spirituality for Trump is also debatable, and wasn’t answered by this particular conversation.

But really: we all know this is how the journalistic game is played. Cal Thomas won’t attempt to manipulated in the same way that Wolf Blitzer will, but he will attempt to manipulate in his own way. Trump also knows this is how the journalistic game is played-his only difference is that he doesn’t play the same way that other candidates do.

anonymousse

#7 Comment By EliteCommInc. On June 10, 2016 @ 11:56 am

“Dislike Hillary Clinton for all kinds of reasons if you like. But the notion that preferring Trump to her is clearly the Christian thing to do, as commentator Woody suggests, seems a rather large step too far, at least to me. . . .”

Typical, she avoids the actual question and dances off into the liberal fancies about the Sermon on the Mount.

I guess she wanted to avoid any discussions about adultery, graft, theft, coveting they neighbor’s anything, and bearing false witness.

So I can infer her squaring is avoid anything that might actually cause me to reflect ethically about my own behavior or applying said principles to how I intend to lead.

#8 Comment By DG On June 10, 2016 @ 4:45 pm

@ newyorker June 9, 2016 at 4:33 pm

” … I think there’s something supernatural about him, like he’s the incarnation of the archetypal Trickster. Bugs bunny and Satan rolled up into one, sent by God to punish us or reward us. God only knows which.”

There are no means available to measure how epic this comment is. So money, newyorker. Very well done.

#9 Comment By EliteCommInc. On June 10, 2016 @ 7:46 pm

” … I think there’s something supernatural about him, like he’s the incarnation of the archetypal Trickster. Bugs bunny and Satan rolled up into one, sent by God to punish us or reward us. God only knows which.”

And if I were electing a god, dictator, or something superhuman unaccountable force, I might be overly concerned.

I would also be concerned if politicians did not routinely engage in the unexpected. I remember when Pres. Clinton was elected. there were concerns about the anti-christ. For the believer. Pres. Bill Clinton may have been among a group of leaders gently nudging us in that direction, but he wasn’t the anti-christ.

There are plenty of reasons for anyone who is conservative and scriptural about Mr. Trump, but I suspect he may be a milder force than advertised. And for people of faith, one hopes he will at least dump that band of advisers in the Science, Health and Education Dept.

Because for people of faith, their presence is what stays the total collapse of morality in my view, but any secular rebuff of the 1960’s onslaught is but a welcome reprieve for the entire country.

In the meantime, there will be people bold enough to stand and actually acknowledge an objective reality that matters regardless of what one believes or feels.

#10 Comment By EliteCommInc. On June 10, 2016 @ 7:54 pm

“So I can infer her squaring is avoid anything that might actually cause me to reflect ethically about my own behavior or applying said principles to how I intend to lead.”

Correction:

So I can infer her squaring is to avoid anything that might actually cause her to reflect ethically about her own behavior or applying said principles to how she intends to lead.

#11 Comment By M_Young On June 11, 2016 @ 1:31 am

“– The server: Having worked in a role supporting executives before, I can tell you that this happened because Hillary didn’t give a damn about how her email worked. She just wanted it to work. And no doubt, probably said that to whoever set it up.”

Uh, I’m pretty sure that the US State department had an email system set up, oh, 20 years before Clinton became secretary of state.

#12 Comment By Ragnvaldr On June 11, 2016 @ 9:29 am

I’m surprised the Donald didn’t bring up the virtues of the Fish Delight.

#13 Comment By Kelvin Smith On June 14, 2016 @ 3:30 pm

– The server: Having worked in a role supporting executives before, I can tell you that this happened because Hillary didn’t give a damn about how her email worked. She just wanted it to work. And no doubt, probably said that to whoever set it up.

She just wanted it to work outside the official governmental system, where everything would have been logged and accessible to Freedom of Information or congressional requests. In other words, her priority was secrecy, not efficiency, and not the secrecy that’s a legitimate part of governmental work, but the secrecy that evades the oversight that is supposed to be inherent in our system. Her explanations for why she did it (“I wanted to just have one device to check,” etc.) were blatant, bald-faced lies. There is no other word for it. No Fox News filter is required to figure that out.

Sex Crimes: … That Hillary committed? That she excused and enabled. The woman who says that rape victims should be believed slashingly attacked her husband’s victims, attributing their existence to the fabled “vast right-wing conspiracy.” She knew full well about the “bimbo eruptions,” but chose to slander the accusers to protect her and her husband’s positions. Were right-wingers out to get them? Sure. But that doesn’t detract from the truth of Bill’s predatory behavior, and Hillary’s role in covering it up.