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An Establishment in Panic

Pressed by moderator Chris Wallace as to whether he would accept defeat should Hillary Clinton win the election, Donald Trump replied, “I will tell you at the time. I’ll keep you in suspense.”

“That’s horrifying,” said Clinton, setting off a chain reaction on the post-debate panels with talking heads falling all over one another in purple-faced anger, outrage, and disbelief.

“Disqualifying!” was the cry on Clinton cable.

“Trump Won’t Say If He Will Accept Election Results,” wailed the New York Times. “Trump Won’t Vow to Honor Results,” ran the banner in the Washington Post.

But what do these chattering classes and establishment bulletin boards think the Donald is going to do if he falls short of 270 electoral votes?

Lead a Coxey’s Army on Washington and burn it down as British Gen. Robert Ross did in August 1814, while “Little Jemmy” Madison fled on horseback out the Brookeville Road?

What explains the hysteria of the establishment?

In a word, fear.

The establishment is horrified at the Donald’s defiance because, deep within its soul, it fears that the people for whom Trump speaks no longer accept its political legitimacy or moral authority.

It may rule and run the country, and may rig the system through mass immigration and a mammoth welfare state so that Middle America is never again able to elect one of its own. But that establishment, disconnected from the people it rules, senses, rightly, that it is unloved and even detested.

Having fixed the future, the establishment finds half of the country looking upon it with the same sullen contempt that our Founding Fathers came to look upon the overlords Parliament sent to rule them.

Establishment panic is traceable to another fear: its ideology, its political religion, is seen by growing millions as a golden calf, a 20th-century god that has failed.

Trump is “talking down our democracy,” said a shocked Clinton.

After having expunged Christianity from our public life and public square, our establishment installed “democracy” as the new deity, at whose altars we should all worship. And so our schools began to teach.

Half a millennia ago, missionaries and explorers set sail from Spain, England, and France to bring Christianity to the New World.

Today, Clintons, Obamas, and Bushes send soldiers and secularist tutors to “establish democracy” among the “lesser breeds without the Law.”

Unfortunately, the natives, once democratized, return to their roots and vote for Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Muslim Brotherhood, using democratic processes and procedures to reestablish their true God.

And Allah is no democrat.

By suggesting he might not accept the results of a “rigged election,” Trump is committing an unpardonable sin. But this new cult, this devotion to a new holy trinity of diversity, democracy, and equality, is of recent vintage and has shallow roots.

For none of the three—diversity, equality, democracy—is to be found in the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the Federalist Papers, or the Pledge of Allegiance. In the pledge, we are a republic.

When Ben Franklin, emerging from the Philadelphia convention, was asked by a woman what kind of government they had created, he answered, “A republic, if you can keep it.”

Among many in the silent majority, Clintonian democracy is not an improvement upon the old republic; it is the corruption of it.

Consider: six months ago, Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe, the Clinton bundler, announced that by executive action he would convert 200,000 convicted felons into eligible voters by November.

If that is democracy, many will say, to hell with it.

And if felons decide the electoral votes of Virginia, and Virginia decides who is our next U.S. president, are we obligated to honor that election?

In 1824, Gen. Andrew Jackson ran first in popular and electoral votes. But, short of a majority, the matter went to the House.

There, Speaker Henry Clay and John Quincy Adams delivered the presidency to Adams—and Adams made Clay secretary of state, putting him on the path to the presidency that had been taken by Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, and Adams himself.

Were Jackson’s people wrong to regard as a “corrupt bargain” the deal that robbed the general of the presidency?

The establishment also recoiled in horror from Milwaukee Sheriff Dave Clarke’s declaration that it is now “torches and pitchforks time.”

Yet, some of us recall another time, when Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas wrote in “Points of Rebellion”: “We must realize that today’s Establishment is the new George III. Whether it will continue to adhere to his tactics, we do not know. If it does, the redress, honored in tradition, is also revolution.”

Baby-boomer radicals loved it, raising their fists in defiance of Richard Nixon and Spiro Agnew.

But now that it is the populist-nationalist right that is moving beyond the niceties of liberal democracy to save the America that they love, elitist enthusiasm for “revolution” seems more constrained.

What goes around comes around.

Patrick J. Buchanan is a founding editor of The American Conservative and the author of the book The Greatest Comeback: How Richard Nixon Rose From Defeat to Create the New Majority [1].

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41 Comments To "An Establishment in Panic"

#1 Comment By PAXNOW On October 21, 2016 @ 12:16 am

I thought he meant that if he feared some level of corruption he would seek legal relief. There would be no Trump without the demise of real representative government. People do not want open borders? We get open borders. People do not want any more designer wars not in our interest? We get these wars.The Fed and the Supreme Court are not elected and not diverse – yet they wield incredible power over one of the most diverse nations in the world, and one.that is supposedly the most democratic. Go figure? .

#2 Comment By Awaiting the Day On October 21, 2016 @ 2:30 am

Lost faith in the system is putting it mildly. The system is rotten, mostly because of the rotten elites who rigged it. Someone like Clinton can do whatever she wants and pay no price. Banks can run wild and have taxpayers foot the inevitable bill. Our leaders treat our military like a toy, meddling all over the place, often as not wrecking the countries where they meddle.

But we have played out part in this too. We’ve become soft and decadent, and we ceased to care whether mediocrities, thieves, and incompetents went to Washington. We must recover the strength and character we used to be known for, and then we need to kick these jerks off their perches.

#3 Comment By Selvar On October 21, 2016 @ 2:41 am

And where in the constitution is it written that the votes of those living in “Middle America” count more than the votes of other citizens?Regardless, now if a far right militia goes on a rampage once Trump loses, we will know who to blame.

I was once a civil libertarian who despised the patriot act and the NSA. I am sad to say that the behavior of both the far right and far left in this elections, as well as the constant stream of Islamist terror attacks around the world, have convinced me that robust intelligence gathering is necessary to guard against the subversion of our liberal democracy.

#4 Comment By Mike E On October 21, 2016 @ 2:47 am

Thank you, thank you, thank you. This is first time I’ve seen Jackson’s condemnation of the 1824 “corrupt bargain” in reference to Trump’s possible refusal to concede. I’ve had to add so many comments to so many op-eds to try to make readers recall Jackson — and to observe that, at least perhaps until quite recently (now that Old Hickory’s about to leave the $20 bill) Democrats used to celebrate Jefferson-Jackson Day dinners.,

#5 Comment By libertarian jerry On October 21, 2016 @ 5:17 am

As H L Mencken once stated,”there are those that work for a living and then there are those that vote for a living.” The problem is that those that vote for a living,basically the Political Class such as government employees,welfare recipients,special interests plus the Military Industrial Complex out number and thus out vote the private sector Economic Class. With that said is it any wonder that the tax serfs in the private sector are tired of paying their “fair share” when they never get their “fair share.” When half the population pays little or no taxes yet benefit from those that do. When the top 10% of income tax payers pay 75% of the taxes. Yet Hillary and Bernie want more in the name of “fairness.” Maybe your right Pat. Maybe its time to get out the pitchforks.

#6 Comment By mrscracker On October 21, 2016 @ 6:31 am

I enjoy watching the faux outrage from the Left since they’ve become the Establishment. They’ve just assumed the role of the folks they used to oppose. How dare anyone question them?

#7 Comment By Kurt Gayle On October 21, 2016 @ 8:19 am

“The establishment…fears that the people for whom Trump speaks no longer accept its political legitimacy or moral authority.”

Bingo!

#8 Comment By Eric On October 21, 2016 @ 10:00 am

I am entertained by the shock that Buchanan perceives from the Clinton response to Trump’s debate question response. It was pretty obvious that Clinton had prepared her response carefully. She had memorized it almost word for word as Trump went down the exact road she had expected. It plays to the general public’s belief that Trump is unhinged and he falls into these traps every time. It isn’t that the establishment is actually fearful. It’s that Trump destroys himself so readily and that he is so predictable that they can just wipe the floor with him as they feign surprise.

#9 Comment By B. Rational On October 21, 2016 @ 10:02 am

“But this new cult, this devotion to a new holy trinity of diversity, democracy, and equality, is of recent vintage and has shallow roots.”

Recent vintage? Seriously?

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

#10 Comment By Mike On October 21, 2016 @ 10:25 am

“But what do these chattering classes and establishment bulletin boards think the Donald is going to do if he falls short of 270 electoral votes? Lead a Coxey’s Army on Washington and burn it down as British Gen. Robert Ross did in August 1814, while ‘Little Jemmy’ Madison fled on horseback out the Brookeville Road?”

Well, what alternative is there if the transfer of power via democratic means is illegitimate?

#11 Comment By AaFrancis On October 21, 2016 @ 11:57 am

Wow. Well, that’s one way to spin it.

#12 Comment By collin On October 21, 2016 @ 11:57 am

Among many in the silent majority, Clintonian democracy is not an improvement upon the old republic; it is the corruption of it.

Maybe there is a new and different silent majority. Please read Matt Yglesias, The ultimate Clinton Democrat!, on this thesis of the 2016. This is the Obama coalition of minority and college educated white (esp women) are the core HRC supporters. And realize, HRC has led this Primary and general election almost the entire time. How often have we heard their story of an African-American working mom in South Carolina who voted for HRC in the primary and soon general election? I haven’t read any compared to the numerous Trump supporter stories. And look at the state polls, where the voters are heaviest with minority and educated voters (AZ, NC, VA, FL & TX) HRC is over-performing Obama 2012 while HRC is underperforming in states with a lot of working white voters (Maine, IA & OH). In many ways, I still think HRC ran a bit 1968 silent majority but in the modern sense.

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#13 Comment By DeepSouthPopulist On October 21, 2016 @ 12:25 pm

There are a lot of problems with Trump, but his program is sound from the standpoint of Middle American white interests. The emergence of Trump, at any rate, is a symptom of deep problems in this country not a cause. A crisis of legitimacy has been building in the United States for years. Now, it has come to a head.

My viewpoint can be summed up as follows. Hillary Clinton will not be my president ever. Paul Ryan is not and will never be my House Speaker either. They have power over me, but no moral standing.

I will never grant Clinton or Ryan any moral standing or authority over me, nor will millions of other mostly white Americans going forward.

Ryan is at present, and Clinton will be soon, in their respective offices as a result of the completely illegitimate processes and outcomes Pat Buchanan has described so well lately. It doesn’t matter if Clinton’s election is democratic because an outcome can be democratic and illegitimate at the same time.

#14 Comment By Just Dropping By On October 21, 2016 @ 12:33 pm

I’m sorry, but the criticism of McAuliffe is stupid in this context. McAuliffe’s actions to restore felon voting rights were legal under Virginia law and felons have never been constitutionally ineligible to vote in federal elections. Furthermore, the vast majority of states already automatically restore felons’ voting rights, including such swing states as Ohio, New Hampshire, Colorado, New Mexico, and North Carolina.

#15 Comment By bt On October 21, 2016 @ 12:51 pm

So this is how the conservative movement ends.

In a gasp of desperation. All is lost, the government is corrupt, the voters are fools, the republic has been destroyed, the barbarians have torn down the walls. Certainly, Conservatives have been warning of this day for decades, and it seems that many Conservatives have finally decided that the day has come, just as predicted.

In that sense, Trump is the correct candidate for many. He represents a view that the nation has been destroyed. Oddly, he promises to tear everything down as a cure. I guess if all you see is ruin, this would make sense. Rather like the poor devils living in places like the Middle East.

It also explains this odd adulation that some Conservatives seem to have for V Putin. He’s a strong man and that is what we need in turbulent times, right?

Personally, I found Trump’s line about not accepting the election results was not by any measure the worst thing he has said or done in his ‘campaign against the corrupt regime’.

#16 Comment By Robert Levine On October 21, 2016 @ 1:23 pm

Consider: six months ago, Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe, the Clinton bundler, announced that by executive action he would convert 200,000 convicted felons into eligible voters by November.

If that is democracy, many will say, to hell with it.

And if felons decide the electoral votes of Virginia, and Virginia decides who is our next U.S. president, are we obligated to honor that election?

Consider that Jeb Bush presided over a purge of the voter roles in Florida tha twrongly took tens of thousands of voters (many likely to be Gore supporters) off the voting roles. Were we obligated to honor his brother’s election in 2000, even though he almost certainly wouldn’t have been elected without that purge?

Al Gore honored that election, and so did the overwhelming majority of Democrats.

This election isn’t going to hinge on a few thousand votes in Virginia. That Buchanan even raised the possibility demonstrates just how deep that river in Egypt is for him.

#17 Comment By John S On October 21, 2016 @ 1:29 pm

If Donald Trump has a specific charge regarding a violation of constitutional procedure, let him make it. If not, let him not plant seeds of sedition.

#18 Comment By Garry Kelly On October 21, 2016 @ 2:23 pm

I sense that the elites have a growing fear of the white man in America.

#19 Comment By jtr On October 21, 2016 @ 2:23 pm

As usual an intelligent and perceptive article from Pat. And as usual I agree with none of it. That in my mind is how it should be. Well written intellectually based articles that I do not agree with are what I should be reading. God only knows we Americans read far to much just to reinforce our own beliefs and prejudices.

#20 Comment By Nelson On October 21, 2016 @ 3:39 pm

“Save America from diversity, democracy and equality!”

Such a great slogan for a Trump bumper sticker.

#21 Comment By bt On October 21, 2016 @ 4:30 pm

“I will never grant Clinton or Ryan any moral standing or authority over me, nor will millions of other mostly white Americans going forward.”

“It doesn’t matter if Clinton’s election is democratic because an outcome can be democratic and illegitimate at the same time.”

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I bet that is just what they said about President Lincoln, back in the day. In some ways, the nation hasn’t really changed much at all.

I don’t expect DeepSouth feels that Obama was legitimate either. I wonder who would be worthy to rule?

#22 Comment By Jim J On October 21, 2016 @ 4:57 pm

Mr. Buchanan,

You are missing one key ingredient in the
“For none of the three—diversity, equality, democracy—is to be found in the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the Federalist Papers, or the Pledge of Allegiance. In the pledge, we are a republic…” secton. As all of the above documents find their existence as a result of Natural Law.

#23 Comment By Ken Zaretzke On October 21, 2016 @ 5:20 pm

Try telling that to co-optation king Bernie Sanders and co-optation queen Elizabeth Warren.

Trump is the last major politician standing who has not been co-opted. Truth.

#24 Comment By Dr Gringo On October 21, 2016 @ 6:10 pm

I love how may of the same people who are STILL screaming bloody murder over 2000 and the Florida recount(s) are recoiling in horror from Trump’s statement that he won’t necessarily accept next month’s initial results. “Do as I say…”

#25 Comment By Intelliwriter On October 21, 2016 @ 7:03 pm

I’m curious how Buchanan shows his face in public. Middle America will never be able to vote in “one of their own.” Just say it: A white Christian male. No need for niceties when you’re backing a thug BILLIONAIRE like Trump; who, by the way, has nothing in common with Middle America.

#26 Comment By Johan On October 21, 2016 @ 8:58 pm

Is the establishment in panic, or is it those who stake their reputations on the victory of ‘middle American radicalism’? It seems to me that the establishment is going to come out very well in this election.

#27 Comment By channelclemente On October 21, 2016 @ 9:54 pm

The ‘we’ involved in Mr. Buchanan’s rebellious electorate represents, at most, 20-25% of the voting population. That’s a lot of citizens, all of which have to face the day after any rebellion.

#28 Comment By Tony D. On October 21, 2016 @ 10:24 pm

“My viewpoint can be summed up as follows. Hillary Clinton will not be my president ever. Paul Ryan is not and will never be my House Speaker either. They have power over me, but no moral standing.”

Well and good – you are entitled to your opinion. Of course about half of your fellow Americans felt exactly this way about George W. Bush. Welcome!

#29 Comment By Paridell On October 21, 2016 @ 10:27 pm

Half a millennium.

#30 Comment By EE Ronerts On October 22, 2016 @ 5:34 am

“Al Gore honored that election, and so did the overwhelming majority of Democrats.”

Maybe I was hallucinating at the time, but I seem to remember that Gore contested the result of that election all the way to the Supreme Court, and the majority of democrats fell into a conniption that continues to this day.

#31 Comment By T On October 22, 2016 @ 3:04 pm

Sorry but this is speculative nonsense pretending like it has some historical precedent. The election is not physically rigged. Donald is threatening not to accept the result because he’s a bad loser and a degenerate conspiracy theorist. He lives in a fantasy world where thousands of people celebrated on 9/11, global warming is a Chinese plot and American elections are rigged by a shadowy establishment despite a total lack of any factual evidence.

He’s the ultimate moron king for the age of stupid – where people both left and right get their news from Facebook groups that are barely distinguishable from places telling you that 9/11 was an inside job and we never really landed on the moon. The Republican party steadily unleashed the forces of irrationality and stupidity and now they’ve been beaten at their own game by the best player we’ve ever seen – a narcissist reality TV star that believes in nothing at all apart from himself.

He is however just about the only man repulsive enough to make the nation want to hold it’s nose and elect Hillary.

#32 Comment By Mike Schilling On October 22, 2016 @ 7:37 pm

Middle America is never again able to elect one of its own.

Obama’s from Illinois. Any particular reason he doesn’t count?

#33 Comment By Mike Schilling On October 22, 2016 @ 7:39 pm

In 1824, Gen. Andrew Jackson ran first in popular and electoral votes. But, short of a majority, the matter went to the House.

There, Speaker Henry Clay and John Quincy Adams delivered the presidency to Adams—and Adams made Clay secretary of state, putting him on the path to the presidency that had been taken by Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, and Adams himself.

Were Jackson’s people wrong to regard as a “corrupt bargain” the deal that robbed the general of the presidency?

Yes, completely wrong. When no single party has a majority, coalitions are formed to make one. That happens in every parliamentary system in the world. What do you think the Founders had in mind making the House choose among the top three?

#34 Comment By ElteCommInc. On October 23, 2016 @ 9:12 am

“I don’t expect DeepSouth feels that Obama was legitimate either. I wonder who would be worthy to rule?”

If legitimacy means agreement, I will have to reject the legitimacy advance. With liberals anything that has any validity means I must agree. This is not a case of deep south divide. This is a case and it’s a strange case of election means, I must support whatever policies want to put in place. That is just not how the process works.

#35 Comment By Patricia Bourland On October 23, 2016 @ 11:37 am

If she wins it’s rigged and all of America knows it ! It’s a proven fact! Okeegfe has proved it! Hopefully Cinton will be in prison before the election if our government would stand up to her ,she would already be there! Clinton will never be my president ever! Go Trump get she and bring her to justice, then prison where hsha and Obama belong!

#36 Comment By Denis Ian On October 23, 2016 @ 1:59 pm

How the hell did we get here? That’s the national head-shaker … the one question that’s asked over and over again.

The answer is in the mirror. We did this to ourselves.

America is a wreck. A mess. A shambles. A cultural pile-up.

We are extra-ugly. Misshapen. Warped. Corrupt. Debauched. Screwy. And pretty proud of it, too. At least it seems so.

Other nations fear their enemies … we should fear ourselves. And our own politicians. The real destroyers are here …among us.

For a long while, politicians and their ear-whisperers have rationalized the irrational, tortured logic, contorted common sense, and mocked us for not embracing their cultural caricatures. And we nodded them on.

We’ve been chided, emasculated, feminized, de-sexed, over-sexed, and blistered because we’re not on-board with their over-board immodesties. And that includes indecency about the truth, reality, and even the facts of life.

And we nod. And they do more.

Tell me … is everyone okay with the new us? “America the Unbeautiful”? The “Land of the Free and the Home of Free Stuff”? Is anyone a gag away from a full-out heave?

Most of us aren’t part of anything extreme. Lots love this country and have their patriotism in good balance. We know we make mistakes, but we like our wrongs righted. We are a very decent people.

None of us wanna live in a bully-nation, but third-rate nations can’t kick sand in our faces … and then mock us. And then get a pay-off. We shouldn’t be shy about sending a black ’n blue message to any nation that chants “Death to America”. Speak to them in language they understand.

Our own house is a horror.

Nothing spotlights our utter collapse more than “sanctuary cities”. These independent islands of lunacy smirk at federal laws … and then set their own policies that impact us all. And that’s all very okay for San Francisco or Seattle or Portland… but if Dallas or Mobile or Jacksonville want some relief from the illegal invasion … well … that’s not so okay.

These open-border evangelists demand that our borders be flung wide-open so the whole world can wash up on our shores. It makes them feel good … but it makes us poorer and less safe.

Many cities have slid right off the rails. Some have official, public piss walls for the homeless. That’s supposed to cure some sort of inequality. No, it doesn’t. It just makes that city smell like … like piss.

And it pisses us off. Just like lots of other things in the “New” America that we don’t much like.

Voter ID’s, free birth control, prayer spots for Islamics in public school … where a mention of Jesus will cost you your job. All nonsense.

Crappy heath insurance rammed down our throats, multi-million dollar politicians, and public schools turned into cash machines by swindlers and racketeers. You gettin’ the picture here?.

Free cell phones for the idle, riots that are looting free-for-alls, and waves of refugees dumped in our towns and stuffed into our schools … without our permission. As usual.

These kinds of dysfunctions are everywhere.

Humor has been swapped out for ridicule. TV tip-toes the smut-line. Self-congratulatory awards shows feed the ego epidemic in Hollywood. Popular music is all about dead cops, big-ass bitches, and lots of ho’s. Let’s not dance and say we did.

Politicians cut deals on tarmacs and cut the legs off candidates favored by the public. They double-speak and double-cross … and then double-down on their phony virtue. They live in an alternate reality … divorced from our reality. And we let them off the hook while we’re left hanging.

We’re all to blame … in our own way. We’ve been suckered into these ideological wars that have turned us into idiots. We fight their idiocy like idiots because we should have tossed them out of office the first moment they displayed this crap-nonsense. But we didn’t … and now look at the mess they’ve made.

We’d better decide who we want to be … or we’ll just drift to an ugly end. America will be just another noble experiment gone to pot. And we can claim our spot on the heap of empires that wasted away.

What a lousy epitaph. Rewrite it on November 8th.

Denis Ian

#37 Comment By Brendan Sexton On October 23, 2016 @ 2:20 pm

It is very hard to decide where to start to find anti-democratic fault in Buchanan’s latest rant.
how about, jsut for one: “After having expunged Christianity from our public life and public square, our establishment installed “democracy” as the new deity, at whose altars we should all worship.” No, it was the founding fathers—go back and read them! Like so many other of our ‘originalist” conservatives of today, Buchanan imagines what he thinks the original American Revolutionary intent was, and finds what he can or invents what he can’t find, to support his view of the day.
I also enjoyed: “And Allah is no democrat.” written by one who must never have read the ‘original’ testament, or who reads it very selectively. Yaweh IS a democrat???
this kind of thing validates the common (outside of these pages or this website) view of Buchanan–he is an authoritarian non-democrat who picks and chooses moral arguments to support whatever reactionary position he finds convenient.
In furtherance of his intellectually dishonest arguments(? ploys?) he introduces MacAuliffe’s FAILED attempt to re-enfranchise felons as if it were about to throw Virginia and therefore the whole election into doubt. (yes, the governor succeeded in enfranchising many, but it was by the slower method endorsed by all, even the Republicans.) And so on through the whole useless piece.
This stuff is pompous posturing parading as argument. TAC should be better than this.

#38 Comment By MikeS On October 23, 2016 @ 8:14 pm

“Niceties of liberal democracy”, my goodness. I think conservatism has jumped the shark and deserves its landslide in 2 weeks.

#39 Comment By bt On October 24, 2016 @ 4:20 pm

“If legitimacy means agreement, I will have to reject the legitimacy advance”

And I reject your rejection of my rejection of your unwillingness to accept the outcome of our illegitimate elections – and reject bad liberals too.

Yeah, that’s it.

#40 Comment By bt On October 24, 2016 @ 4:38 pm

“Like so many other of our ‘originalist” conservatives of today, Buchanan imagines what he thinks the original American Revolutionary intent was, and finds what he can or invents what he can’t find, to support his view of the day.”

Original intent:

Let’s put the negroes back in chains, take that vote away from the ladies and only allow property owners to vote, no Income taxes, of course. As it was in the beginning, as the Good Lord intended. And no more changes allowed ever again, unless the Conservatives on the supreme court agree to change it, which is always allowed.

And no more judges will be allowed to be appointed by the bad liberals ever again. This can never be allowed. (John Adams appeared and whispered this to me in my dreams last night.)

#41 Comment By Cynthia mae Curran On October 25, 2016 @ 1:13 am

The truth is whites in Iowa between the ages of 24 to 35 have the 11th highest college graduation rates in the US, its not a working class state. The poverty rate in Florida, Arizona and North Carolina is about 3 to 4 percent higher than Iowa. Iowa just is lower on college grads because of the older generation but Arizona is at the bottom of high school and college grads. I live in the state and know that. Also, Florida and North Carolina have higher college and high school drop outs than Iowa.

#42 Comment By Brendan Sexton On October 26, 2016 @ 1:42 pm

“Maybe I was hallucinating at the time, but I seem to remember that Gore contested the result of that election all the way to the Supreme Court, and the majority of democrats fell into a conniption that continues to this day.”
You were hallucinating at the time, and since.
I keep hearing about Gore contesting Fla “all the way to the Supreme Court.” and so on, but it’s a myth. The case began as Bush v. Palm Beach County, not as Gore v anybody. When the Bush side lost locally, THEY took it to the Supreme Court, for cryin’ out loud.
They won there, but contrary to myth, Gore did not continue to bellyache–I did, and many of us who thought Jeb Bush and the Court had stolen the election did, but Gore did not. He is, not matter what else you think of him, a gentleman. The country is better for having him.