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		<title>By: Commentaries, Opinions, And Editorials — July 30, 2010 &#124; TechsZone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Commentaries, Opinions, And Editorials — July 30, 2010 &#124; TechsZone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2010 06:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The End of Military History &#8212; Andrew J. Bacevich, American Conservative [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Smith Wordok</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/the-end-of-military-history/comment-page-1/#comment-21370</link>
		<dc:creator>Smith Wordok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 22:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one whether a large military or a small guerrilla can fight a war for even a day without money. Cut the source of the money and both will go down. It is economy, stupid. Now coming to Afghanistan, as per United Nations drug report that country produces 96% of the world&#039;s opiates with a western export value of well over one hundred billion dollars per anum. Kill the opium crops and you win the war. Keep the opium crops and you shall lose. Unlike most commentators here who do not know even simple facts, the war in Afghanistan is not an ideological one at all. The same Salafis were the darlings of the neoconservative grand daddy, Reagan. Osama was family friend of Bush and perhaps still is, as far as the families are concerned. As the author has said and the vast majority of commentators wish for the end result is either defeat or ethnic cleansing pretty much on the same footing as the Hitler&#039;s. And contrary to the illusion of the commentators nothing constructive has been done in Afghanistan. Russians had done more of a nation building there in a year than Americans have done in 9. That is the truth. But my way is different. Eradicate the opium crops completely. And stop sending even a dollar of aid too on top of it. Instead send some corporations there to build cell phone assembly plants, juicer blender assembly plants, toy plants etc. and let the American business and technology do its wonder. Hire the men, stop telling their women what to wear. You will be amazed. Money is a very powerful tool. Specially if it is earned . Now tell me how many manufacturing, food processing plants US military has opened in Afghanistan in the past year? On top of that how much of the opium cropland which is feeding insurgency and lawlessness was destroyed by US military?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one whether a large military or a small guerrilla can fight a war for even a day without money. Cut the source of the money and both will go down. It is economy, stupid. Now coming to Afghanistan, as per United Nations drug report that country produces 96% of the world&#8217;s opiates with a western export value of well over one hundred billion dollars per anum. Kill the opium crops and you win the war. Keep the opium crops and you shall lose. Unlike most commentators here who do not know even simple facts, the war in Afghanistan is not an ideological one at all. The same Salafis were the darlings of the neoconservative grand daddy, Reagan. Osama was family friend of Bush and perhaps still is, as far as the families are concerned. As the author has said and the vast majority of commentators wish for the end result is either defeat or ethnic cleansing pretty much on the same footing as the Hitler&#8217;s. And contrary to the illusion of the commentators nothing constructive has been done in Afghanistan. Russians had done more of a nation building there in a year than Americans have done in 9. That is the truth. But my way is different. Eradicate the opium crops completely. And stop sending even a dollar of aid too on top of it. Instead send some corporations there to build cell phone assembly plants, juicer blender assembly plants, toy plants etc. and let the American business and technology do its wonder. Hire the men, stop telling their women what to wear. You will be amazed. Money is a very powerful tool. Specially if it is earned . Now tell me how many manufacturing, food processing plants US military has opened in Afghanistan in the past year? On top of that how much of the opium cropland which is feeding insurgency and lawlessness was destroyed by US military?</p>
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		<title>By: Mladen</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/the-end-of-military-history/comment-page-1/#comment-21285</link>
		<dc:creator>Mladen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 10:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In old time, soldier needed some food, little bit gunpowder and new clothes once in a while. Nowadays, it is lot more expensive. By the way, major power players in Afghanistan want to keep war forever. Remember what happened first time? Najibullah&#039; regime fell not with withdrawal of Soviets but when Soviet patronage money stopped dripping. However, as soon as Najibullah was killed, money stopped dripping from West, Pakistan and Arabs as well. Nowadays they are smarter. West pays lavishly protection money to Afghan warlords, Taliban get nice help as well and there is nobody to stop flourishing opium production. I am sorry, but if you are drug lord in Afghanistan, would you let either side decisively win? 

In general, we fortunately live in time when ethnic cleansing and mass murders are not acceptable behavior for civilized countries. That explains best why winning war is so hard. However, West introduced that principle for own protection, to prevent revenge by desperate remnants of some decimated nation. It does not take much money and knowledge to release nerve gas in metro system of large town or release deadly biological weapons in wide area. As long as West keeps restraint, chances of such response are much lower.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In old time, soldier needed some food, little bit gunpowder and new clothes once in a while. Nowadays, it is lot more expensive. By the way, major power players in Afghanistan want to keep war forever. Remember what happened first time? Najibullah&#8217; regime fell not with withdrawal of Soviets but when Soviet patronage money stopped dripping. However, as soon as Najibullah was killed, money stopped dripping from West, Pakistan and Arabs as well. Nowadays they are smarter. West pays lavishly protection money to Afghan warlords, Taliban get nice help as well and there is nobody to stop flourishing opium production. I am sorry, but if you are drug lord in Afghanistan, would you let either side decisively win? </p>
<p>In general, we fortunately live in time when ethnic cleansing and mass murders are not acceptable behavior for civilized countries. That explains best why winning war is so hard. However, West introduced that principle for own protection, to prevent revenge by desperate remnants of some decimated nation. It does not take much money and knowledge to release nerve gas in metro system of large town or release deadly biological weapons in wide area. As long as West keeps restraint, chances of such response are much lower.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Kuehne</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/the-end-of-military-history/comment-page-1/#comment-21211</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Kuehne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 17:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Worrying about cheap oil is a near sighted foolish excuse to fight wars. Ironically the tensions caused by our invasions have caused speculators to drive up oil prices anyways and inflation to pay for the wars will cause oil prices to skyrocket anyways. 

What should be a more pressing concern is the collapse of this country due to the warfare/welfare state and totalitarian rule that will surely follow as a result. Sin (such as illegal wars) profit us nothing, so repent and serve the Lord instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worrying about cheap oil is a near sighted foolish excuse to fight wars. Ironically the tensions caused by our invasions have caused speculators to drive up oil prices anyways and inflation to pay for the wars will cause oil prices to skyrocket anyways. </p>
<p>What should be a more pressing concern is the collapse of this country due to the warfare/welfare state and totalitarian rule that will surely follow as a result. Sin (such as illegal wars) profit us nothing, so repent and serve the Lord instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 22:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we are to use are military it should be with the credo Carthago delenda est.</description>
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		<title>By: Bacevich and the &#8220;end of military history&#8221; &#171; Slouching Towards Columbia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bacevich and the &#8220;end of military history&#8221; &#171; Slouching Towards Columbia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 21:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] strategy by dptrombly   Andrew Bacevich has a new piece out which argues we have reached &#8220;The End of Military History.&#8221; It is worth reading the piece in full, because it is provocative. Bacevich strips down the Western [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] strategy by dptrombly   Andrew Bacevich has a new piece out which argues we have reached &#8220;The End of Military History.&#8221; It is worth reading the piece in full, because it is provocative. Bacevich strips down the Western [...]</p>
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		<title>By: R Naardin</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/the-end-of-military-history/comment-page-1/#comment-21143</link>
		<dc:creator>R Naardin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 07:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll second that.

See Van Creveld and William Lind on Fourth Generation Warfare to understand why the &quot;suberb military&quot; is a piece of gold plated shit shovel. 

But it is a suberb military if the goal is to expend an infinite amount of resources to achieve nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll second that.</p>
<p>See Van Creveld and William Lind on Fourth Generation Warfare to understand why the &#8220;suberb military&#8221; is a piece of gold plated shit shovel. </p>
<p>But it is a suberb military if the goal is to expend an infinite amount of resources to achieve nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Notícias Semanais/Weekly News &#171; Dextra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Notícias Semanais/Weekly News &#171; Dextra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 23:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] major military exercise. No More Western Way of War [...]</description>
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		<title>By: S P Dudley</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/the-end-of-military-history/comment-page-1/#comment-21139</link>
		<dc:creator>S P Dudley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 22:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Bacevich would do well to carefully read the comments to his article. The truth is, at any time, at any technology level, only overwhelming force focused on the enemy&#039;s center of gravity (whether that is a capital, or a ruler, or a tribe, or whatever) can prove victorious in combat. 

Our problem is not that we&#039;re not well equipped, or well trained, or that we lack intelligence, or that we have the wrong organization chart. It&#039;s all willpower. Do we have the will to fight? Do we have the will to kill the enemy in his homes? Do we have the will to keep burning the forest until the enemy gives up or dies? Lack that will and you get slow-motion disaster, which is nearly every war we&#039;ve fought since Korea. 

The tide turned in Iraq because we actually found the balls to send in two extra divisions and kill everything in the Baghdad city limits that wasn&#039;t in view of a TV camera.  Take that approach wherever you find the enemy and keep at it and eventually you&#039;ll find the victory that you term as being so elusive. 

Oh, and it helps not to care what they print in stuff like the NY Times and Le Monde.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Bacevich would do well to carefully read the comments to his article. The truth is, at any time, at any technology level, only overwhelming force focused on the enemy&#8217;s center of gravity (whether that is a capital, or a ruler, or a tribe, or whatever) can prove victorious in combat. </p>
<p>Our problem is not that we&#8217;re not well equipped, or well trained, or that we lack intelligence, or that we have the wrong organization chart. It&#8217;s all willpower. Do we have the will to fight? Do we have the will to kill the enemy in his homes? Do we have the will to keep burning the forest until the enemy gives up or dies? Lack that will and you get slow-motion disaster, which is nearly every war we&#8217;ve fought since Korea. </p>
<p>The tide turned in Iraq because we actually found the balls to send in two extra divisions and kill everything in the Baghdad city limits that wasn&#8217;t in view of a TV camera.  Take that approach wherever you find the enemy and keep at it and eventually you&#8217;ll find the victory that you term as being so elusive. </p>
<p>Oh, and it helps not to care what they print in stuff like the NY Times and Le Monde.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike McG.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike McG.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 17:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very thoughtful article and surprisingly thoughtful responses.  And while COL. Bacevich rightly points out some exceedingly common problems, I think he goes too far in stipulating that the &quot;western way of war,&quot; (which is in some ways a very unfortunate phrase) is forever passe&#039;.  The problems he points out are symptoms of the core US deficiency: an almost complete lack of political end state and strategic thought at the national command level.  

In his examples of Madeline Albright&#039;s incompetent comment regarding use of the military, and the Pentagon paragon who exalted &quot;decision superiority,&quot; he points out that at the policy and strategic levels, these people are only thinking in terms of tactics.  Our problem has been that with the absence of even military strategic thinkers, the policies and &quot;strategies&quot; proposed are either/or.  Either we are tracked, armored heavy forces, or we are jump-out-of-the-clouds-at-night ninja snake eaters.  We have to be both.  We distract  ourselves with a single silver bullet solution and neglect that it has always been the &quot;Big War to Solve Big Problems&quot; that has always saved America&#039;s ass.  It is true that WWI caused more &quot;pain than gain,&quot; however it would have certainly been WWII in 1928 had Germany dominated Europe.  WWII and the Cold War do not really need justification (also see &quot;Civil War&quot;).  It is the small wars that we flub that give us &quot;syndromes.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very thoughtful article and surprisingly thoughtful responses.  And while COL. Bacevich rightly points out some exceedingly common problems, I think he goes too far in stipulating that the &#8220;western way of war,&#8221; (which is in some ways a very unfortunate phrase) is forever passe&#8217;.  The problems he points out are symptoms of the core US deficiency: an almost complete lack of political end state and strategic thought at the national command level.  </p>
<p>In his examples of Madeline Albright&#8217;s incompetent comment regarding use of the military, and the Pentagon paragon who exalted &#8220;decision superiority,&#8221; he points out that at the policy and strategic levels, these people are only thinking in terms of tactics.  Our problem has been that with the absence of even military strategic thinkers, the policies and &#8220;strategies&#8221; proposed are either/or.  Either we are tracked, armored heavy forces, or we are jump-out-of-the-clouds-at-night ninja snake eaters.  We have to be both.  We distract  ourselves with a single silver bullet solution and neglect that it has always been the &#8220;Big War to Solve Big Problems&#8221; that has always saved America&#8217;s ass.  It is true that WWI caused more &#8220;pain than gain,&#8221; however it would have certainly been WWII in 1928 had Germany dominated Europe.  WWII and the Cold War do not really need justification (also see &#8220;Civil War&#8221;).  It is the small wars that we flub that give us &#8220;syndromes.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mitty</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/the-end-of-military-history/comment-page-1/#comment-21127</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 16:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Military might makes security tight. Why even FDR (with Stalin&#039;s urging) was willin&#039; to fire bomb civilians with Napalm.  Now, we&#039;re fighting with a dumbed down ladies&#039; club version of the Marquess of Kingsbury rules.  So, we don&#039;t fight wars, we just waste a lot of money &amp; then cut &amp; run.  The whole world knows it.  Our enemies&#039; war strategy is to turn our own media against the effort &amp; wait us out.  Read Triumph Forsaken: The Vietnam War, 1954-1965, by Mark Moyar</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Military might makes security tight. Why even FDR (with Stalin&#8217;s urging) was willin&#8217; to fire bomb civilians with Napalm.  Now, we&#8217;re fighting with a dumbed down ladies&#8217; club version of the Marquess of Kingsbury rules.  So, we don&#8217;t fight wars, we just waste a lot of money &amp; then cut &amp; run.  The whole world knows it.  Our enemies&#8217; war strategy is to turn our own media against the effort &amp; wait us out.  Read Triumph Forsaken: The Vietnam War, 1954-1965, by Mark Moyar</p>
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		<title>By: Lorenz Gude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorenz Gude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 11:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A helpful article from a what I take to be a hardcore realist perspective but blessedly without the assumptions of the left/liberal orthodoxy. Like Andy above I found myself agreeing 100% with a lot, but was troubled by the basic idea of the end of military history as a premise. I have not read your full argument in your book but my initial reservation is that I think the recent military failures by Israel and US are part of a different kind of shift. First, I don&#039;t think we have learned how to fight the kind war we find ourselves in because our technology has created a world of new possibilities that the &#039;insurgent&#039; grasps well before established institutions. By the old rules,  Linux should not exist never mind rival Microsoft in many ways any more than gangs of totalitarian religious fanatics should be able to flummox a superpower. Second the West - including Israel -  is strangely somnolent in the face of a direct challenge to our civilization. By way of example, a lady friend of mine here in Western Australia decided to strike up a conversation with a burka clad fellow shopper recently. At one point the burka clad one said &quot;You know we are going to win don&#039;t you?&quot; Indeed, if the West keeps tolerating the utterly intolerant we will be subjugated.  Strangely, we have not yet begun to fight. I note that Australian and European populations are disarmed. Americans are not. Ah, the wisdom of the founders never ceases to amaze...... But to come back to your article it helped me to better recognize what a series of disasters we have had and that must be faced.  However, I think you mistakenly minimize the importance of General Petraeus and the surge. For me,  it is the one bright spot because it shows a way to defeat the Islamists. What happened, in my view,  is that the Islamists showed their true colors and the Anbar Sunnis drove them out and are still doing their best to exterminate them in Iraq. Petraeus didn&#039;t defeat al Quaida in Iraq but he was canny enough to work with the Anbar Sunnis and the real lesson is that only when the cost of tolerating Islamists within a Muslim society gets steep enough will Muslims turn against them and kill them. That is what I want and why I approve of what the Sri Lankans did - finally - to the Tamil Tigers. Curtis LeMay is supposed to have said &quot;If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting.&quot; In the case of real fanatics you have to kill a lot more - maybe all of them. As long as we appease and apologize and let them walk all over us they aren&#039;t going to quit. It is not war that has passed into history - only our will to fight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A helpful article from a what I take to be a hardcore realist perspective but blessedly without the assumptions of the left/liberal orthodoxy. Like Andy above I found myself agreeing 100% with a lot, but was troubled by the basic idea of the end of military history as a premise. I have not read your full argument in your book but my initial reservation is that I think the recent military failures by Israel and US are part of a different kind of shift. First, I don&#8217;t think we have learned how to fight the kind war we find ourselves in because our technology has created a world of new possibilities that the &#8216;insurgent&#8217; grasps well before established institutions. By the old rules,  Linux should not exist never mind rival Microsoft in many ways any more than gangs of totalitarian religious fanatics should be able to flummox a superpower. Second the West &#8211; including Israel &#8211;  is strangely somnolent in the face of a direct challenge to our civilization. By way of example, a lady friend of mine here in Western Australia decided to strike up a conversation with a burka clad fellow shopper recently. At one point the burka clad one said &#8220;You know we are going to win don&#8217;t you?&#8221; Indeed, if the West keeps tolerating the utterly intolerant we will be subjugated.  Strangely, we have not yet begun to fight. I note that Australian and European populations are disarmed. Americans are not. Ah, the wisdom of the founders never ceases to amaze&#8230;&#8230; But to come back to your article it helped me to better recognize what a series of disasters we have had and that must be faced.  However, I think you mistakenly minimize the importance of General Petraeus and the surge. For me,  it is the one bright spot because it shows a way to defeat the Islamists. What happened, in my view,  is that the Islamists showed their true colors and the Anbar Sunnis drove them out and are still doing their best to exterminate them in Iraq. Petraeus didn&#8217;t defeat al Quaida in Iraq but he was canny enough to work with the Anbar Sunnis and the real lesson is that only when the cost of tolerating Islamists within a Muslim society gets steep enough will Muslims turn against them and kill them. That is what I want and why I approve of what the Sri Lankans did &#8211; finally &#8211; to the Tamil Tigers. Curtis LeMay is supposed to have said &#8220;If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting.&#8221; In the case of real fanatics you have to kill a lot more &#8211; maybe all of them. As long as we appease and apologize and let them walk all over us they aren&#8217;t going to quit. It is not war that has passed into history &#8211; only our will to fight.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Sammon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Sammon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 23:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bacevich&#039;s fails to understand some of the key lessons of military history. Is the play nice approach to Iraq 1 &amp; 2 (or Gaul 1 via Julius Caesar) a real victory when it leaves most of the army alive and free to sink into the local insurgency groups? Or is the WWII japenese or german model (or Gaul 2 via Julius Caesar) the more apt lesson as to what real victory entails? Real victory requires a civilian population utterly tired of death and destruction applied to them via land, air &amp; sea. A civilian population that is homeless and hungry has more pressing concerns than trying to oppose naked force. 

Sadly such an approach means a huge amount of death and suffering for non-combatants. That brutal reality when practiced in the 40&#039;s, was so effective in imprinting the populations of europe and japan with an aversion to war, that to this day, both areas are havens of peace. I would argue, we need to return to the total war model on the 40&#039;s if we are serious about a real and lasting victory and forget the chimera of liberal &quot;victory&quot; where everyone holds hands and sings happy songs as schools and hospitals are built by US troops- history has proven the former works and the latter doesn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bacevich&#8217;s fails to understand some of the key lessons of military history. Is the play nice approach to Iraq 1 &amp; 2 (or Gaul 1 via Julius Caesar) a real victory when it leaves most of the army alive and free to sink into the local insurgency groups? Or is the WWII japenese or german model (or Gaul 2 via Julius Caesar) the more apt lesson as to what real victory entails? Real victory requires a civilian population utterly tired of death and destruction applied to them via land, air &amp; sea. A civilian population that is homeless and hungry has more pressing concerns than trying to oppose naked force. </p>
<p>Sadly such an approach means a huge amount of death and suffering for non-combatants. That brutal reality when practiced in the 40&#8242;s, was so effective in imprinting the populations of europe and japan with an aversion to war, that to this day, both areas are havens of peace. I would argue, we need to return to the total war model on the 40&#8242;s if we are serious about a real and lasting victory and forget the chimera of liberal &#8220;victory&#8221; where everyone holds hands and sings happy songs as schools and hospitals are built by US troops- history has proven the former works and the latter doesn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Commentaries, Opinions, And Editorials &#8212; July 30, 2010 &#171; Read NEWS</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] The End of Military History &#8212; Andrew J. Bacevich, American Conservative [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jbraunstein</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 18:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If modern moral strictures (or if you prefer, public squeamishness) coupled with the ever important public relations and information management aspect of modern warfare, is going to prevent great powers from going &quot;old school&quot; and do what is necessary to submit the enemy...then I hope we don&#039;t pine for the Good Old Days but rather temper our willingness to dive head first into these new, more frustrating modern wars unless it is absolutely necessary for our self defense.

Our politicians and opinion makers are still clinging to WWII language and framing to describe our current conflicts around the globe.  It&#039;s a pathetic disconnect symptomatic of our docile consumer culture, oblivious to our imperial privileges, confused and frightened by the signs of paradigmatic corrosion and impending collapse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If modern moral strictures (or if you prefer, public squeamishness) coupled with the ever important public relations and information management aspect of modern warfare, is going to prevent great powers from going &#8220;old school&#8221; and do what is necessary to submit the enemy&#8230;then I hope we don&#8217;t pine for the Good Old Days but rather temper our willingness to dive head first into these new, more frustrating modern wars unless it is absolutely necessary for our self defense.</p>
<p>Our politicians and opinion makers are still clinging to WWII language and framing to describe our current conflicts around the globe.  It&#8217;s a pathetic disconnect symptomatic of our docile consumer culture, oblivious to our imperial privileges, confused and frightened by the signs of paradigmatic corrosion and impending collapse.</p>
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