The decline of the male economy — and of fatherhood — arises less from the empowerment of women than from the government’s usurpation of the family.
By Stephen Baskerville
In “The End of Men,” the cover story of the July/August Atlantic, Hanna Rosin describes “how women are taking control of everything.” Suggesting that “the economics of the new era are better suited to women,” Rosin believes the fair sex are winning the struggle for the survival of the fittest. In what is apparently cause for celebration, she writes, “three-quarters of the 8 million jobs lost were lost by men” in the ongoing Great Recession. “The worst-hit industries were overwhelmingly male and deeply identified with macho: construction, manufacturing, high finance.” She contends that the economic crisis “merely revealed—and accelerated—a profound economic shift that has been going on for at least 30 years.”
The Atlantic used the same issue to ask, “Are Fathers Necessary?” Pamela Paul cites a widely publicized study purporting to prove that fathers are harmful in rearing children and that lesbians do it better. The study is politics camouflaged as social science—its authors acknowledge that the parenting virtues they extol are defined “in part in the service of an egalitarian ideology.” Their message echoes Rosin’s: within the home, as in the national economy, men are unreliable at best and pathological at worst. The Atlantic assures us that the decline of men is the product of impersonal forces against which we are powerless to respond, even if we wished to—which apparently we do not.
Rosin, whose essay is #1 on the magazine’s “Biggest Ideas of the Year” list, certainly identifies an important trend. But the phenomenon she describes is the result not of inexorable social forces but of conscious political decisions. The end of men is the consequence of the most profound trend in public life today: the sexualization of politics and the politicization of sex.
The emergence of sexual politics has elicited strikingly little critical treatment. Yet it represents the most radical change in the nature of government in modern times. The economic effects are only symptoms. More far-reaching are the vast shifts in political power at every level. Feminist ideology pervades every item on the public agenda: not just “women’s issues” like abortion but everything from gun control (think of the “Million Mom March”) and DWI laws (Mother Against Drunk Driving) to foreign policy (Code Pink). “Women have the most to gain and the most to lose in the climate crisis,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi claimed during the Copenhagen conference. “The impacts are not gender-neutral… . Women feel the consequences first.” Not an issue in public life has not been “gendered.”
The transformation of society wrought by sexual politics is most readily apparent where Rosin begins her article: with what she calls the “matriarchy” of the inner cities. Government policies produced this matriarchy: the men who are “increasingly absent from the home,” as Rosin writes, have been removed by welfare agencies and courts. The women are “making all the decisions” in inner-city households because the men have been forced out and government has usurped the role of father and husband, providing protection and income directly to the women and children. This produces in urban America not a “working class,” as Rosin terms it, but a class of government dependents whose living arrangements have been engineered by state officials.
As single motherhood spreads from the lower to the middle classes—among whom it is growing fastest—so does Rosin’s matriarchy. In the suburbs as in the cities, it is promoted by government machinery originally justified as helping the poor: child-care services, care for the elderly, public education, and publicly controlled healthcare.
Rosin insightfully observes that “the U.S. economy is in some ways becoming a kind of traveling sisterhood: upper-class women leave home and enter the workforce, creating domestic jobs for other women to fill.” This is an economic bubble about which G.K. Chesterton long ago warned. “The whole really rests on a plutocratic illusion of an infinite supply of servants,” he wrote, “Ultimately, we are arguing that a woman should not be a mother to her own baby, but a nursemaid to somebody else’s baby. But it will not work, even on paper. We cannot all live by taking in each other’s washing, especially in the form of pinafores.”
Like the recently burst bubbles in banking and housing, this one is a creation of state regulation. It reveals the trajectory of the new sexual politics: not toward eliminating gender roles—which the welfare state has not done and can never do—but toward politicizing and bureaucratizing feminine ones.
While elite feminists did assume previously male occupations, many more women have entered the workforce in professionalized versions of traditional homemaker roles. This has transformed childrearing and other domestic tasks from private family matters into public, communal, and taxable activities, necessarily expanding the size and power of the state and leading to the creation of vast bureaucracies to oversee public education and social services.
These are precisely the professions now being expanded by the Obama administration’s massive stimulus expenditures. The effect is to amplify the intrusion of the state into the home—indeed, the displacement of the home by the state. For as feminists point out, the feminine functions were traditionally private. Professionalizing feminine roles has therefore meant institutionalizing in government bureaucracies responsibilities that were once characteristic of private life. The politicization of children and the usurpation of parental rights under the guise of child protection are the clearest manifestations of this.
Fathers have been marginalized, and their lives are ever more directly administered by the state. They are not simply “absent,” as Rosin writes—they are increasingly likely to be under the control of the judicial and penal systems. Rosin’s article provides a telling example of a particularly state-feminist form of punishment now meted out to men: therapy.
None of the 30 or so men sitting in a classroom at a downtown Kansas City school have come for voluntary adult enrichment. Having failed to pay their child support, they were given the choice by a judge to go to jail or attend a weekly class on fathering…. This week’s lesson…involve[d] writing a letter to a hypothetical estranged 14-year-old daughter named Crystal, whose father left her…
What is clear from Rosin’s account is that the therapy, like the penal system, has been designed less to punish the alleged crime than to psychologically recondition men. The class leader
grew up watching Bill Cosby living behind his metaphorical “white picket fence.” “Well, that check bounced a long time ago,” he says. … He continues, reading from a worksheet. What are the four kinds of paternal authority? Moral, emotional, social, and physical. “But you ain’t none of those in that house. All you are is a paycheck, and now you ain’t even that. And if you try to exercise your authority, she’ll call 911. … You’re supposed to be the authority, and she says, ‘Get out of the house, bitch.’ She’s calling you ‘bitch’!” … “What is our role? Everyone’s telling us we’re supposed to be the head of a nuclear family, so you feel like you got robbed.” … He writes on the board: $85,000. “This is her salary.” Then: $12,000. “This is your salary. … Who’s the man now?” A murmur rises. “That’s right. She’s the man.”
This is not law enforcement. It is government indoctrination.
Rosin neglects to mention that none of the men in Kansas City has been convicted of any crime. They have not run afoul of police, prosecutors, and juries through the normal criminal-justice process. Instead, they are subject to welfare officials who exercise quasi-police and quasi-prosecutorial powers. They are brought—in what is sometimes described as an “expedited judicial process”—before a judge (or a black-robed lawyer known as a “judge-surrogate”) who may spend a few seconds glancing at some documents before entering orders to evict them from their homes, separate them from their children, confiscate their earnings, and sentence them to re-education or incarceration, all without the benefit of due process.
Attorney Jed Abraham calls this system of bureaucratic adjudication “Orwellian”: “To [enforce] child support, the government commands … a veritable gulag,” he writes in From Courtship to Courtroom. Bryce Christensen of Southern Utah University agrees: “The advocates of ever-more-aggressive measures for collecting child support … have moved us a dangerous step closer to a police state.”
Preventing crime and aggression is evidently not what state-feminist ideology is all about: at its heart is economic redistribution and political power. Near the end of her article Rosin notes, quite approvingly, that “violence committed by middle-aged women [has] skyrocketed.” This is taken as a sign that “the more women dominate, the more they behave, fittingly, like the dominant sex.” Rosin references an ultraviolent Lady Gaga video that “rewrites Thelma and Louise as a story not about elusive female empowerment but about sheer, ruthless power. … She and her girlfriend kill a bad boyfriend and random others in a homicidal spree and then escape in their yellow pickup truck, Gaga bragging, ‘We did it, Honey B.’”
Rosin and her allies are more subtle—and most importantly, they have coercive state power at their disposal—but the bragging sounds remarkably similar.
Stephen Baskerville is associate professor of government at Patrick Henry College and author of Taken into Custody: The War Against Fatherhood, Marriage, and the Family.
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Regarding the absence of fathers in so many inner city families, yes this has “empowered” women. However, most inner city neighborhoods are dysfunctional garbage dumps, despite the influx of trillions of dollars in government subsidies, and the main reason for this situation is the general absence of fathers.
Rosin’s triumphalism is disturbing and disgraceful, but she makes a valid point: men are becoming less and less competitive in the workforce. It’s a bizarre phenomenon which I believe, at its heart, is from the sexual revolution of the 1970′s combined with drug use. The cult of selfishness has wounded the father, perhaps mortally, and much of it is self-inflicted.
The ascent of women is merely a default occupation of professional space that men should be retaining.
Incidentally, much of her “statistics” are wrong. I don’t see how “janitor” is in the top 15 job categories. Her man-hate is obvious with that one…
Having seen with my own eyes the ‘fruits” of the “matriarchy” of the inner cities — grown men walking around with their pants drooping below thier waists, exposing their underwear in public, I find this “matriarchy” NOTHING to celebrate.
Black males like me, who grew up with a FATHER in the home, have the old fashioned notion that men who expose their butts in public are something less than the male ideal.
We also find it passing strange that a whole generation of “successful” women, having bought into the notion that men are not necessary, now lament the fact that not very many men are rushing to to marry them. Convinced of their own wonderfulness, they seem to be unable to comprehend why lots of men don’t share that opinion.
As a 19-year-old german girl told me in 1974:
“we believe in feminism in Europe; but we want to SHARE power; here, the women want to RULE”.
Tremendous work and insight Stephen. Congratulations! The battle is over. We have lost. Thank you for writing the obituary. Now it is time for us all to leave. I recommend Chile.
Bit of pyrrhic victory, given how the collapse of the US economy has gone hand in dainty hand with the rise of grrrl power. Men are withdrawing. Even if they still work, they are withdrawing their power, their creativity, their essence, as it were, from the machine. It’s kind of like Ayn Rand’s “Atlas Shrugged” with a gender twist. Masculinity isn’t dead, it’s on strike.
Thank you, Professor, for answering this piece by Hanna Rosin, whose gloating over the tangible cultural power shift oozes from her article. That power-shift, fully facilitated by a crisis of moral political principle, prefers to spend millions on government-as-husband rather than roads and bridges, and produces 100,000 new, fatherless children each year in Pennsylvania alone.
Odd what Matriarchy hath brought, the poverty, the destruction;
How different the result,
from Mothers that claim to care,
but instead want to rule,
lonely children, purposeless and controlled;
Compared to hospitals and schools and advanced degrees,
thriving power, seeking to share.
One thing is very evident to this middle-aged man in Misandraic America: A Matriarchy that seeks to dominate men, rather than value or tolerate them, will find itself battling at home and abroad, and losing that which it values most–Love, relationship and security.
That’s why I find it hard to read Stephen Baskerville. Everything he says is too true. America has passed the point of no return. There is nothing to be saved here. It is time for real men to preserve a remnant of civilization and rebuild upon the wasted ruins.
Excellent analysis by Prof. Baskerville. We live in an era of men-haters who are able to command editorial space in once-respectable magazines such as The Atlantic.
As can seen throughout history, any matriarchal society has fallen prey to stronger male-dominated societies over time. A study conducted on the Yanamamu tribe in the Amazon shows that this women-headed tribe has been assimilated numerous times by male-headed tribes because they are physically incapable of defending themselves against the biologically stronger males.
You will begin to see the same thing happen in Europe and America if Shari’a law starts becoming more and more accepted. Women will become third-class citizens as men take more and more power under this Islamic law. With lesbians like Elena Kagan ascending positions of power like the US Supreme Court bench, and her propensity to embrace Shari’a law, women will eventually lose all rights under that type of society, and will be worse off than before suffragism.
“We must go back to our Bibles. The husband is the head of the wife just in so far as he is to her what Christ is to the Church. He is to love her as Christ loved the Church–read on–and give his life for her (Ephesians v:25). This headship then, is most fully embodied not in the husband we should all wish to be but in him whose marriage is most like a crucifixion; whose wife receives most and gives least, is most unworthy of him, is–in her own mere nature–least lovable. For the Church has no beauty but what the Bride-groom gives her; he does not find, but makes her, lovely. The chrism of this terrible coronation is to be seen not in the joys of any man’s marriage but in its sorrows, in the sickness and sufferings of a good wife or the faults of a bad one, in his unwearying (never paraded) care or his inexhaustible forgiveness: forgiveness, not acquiecence. As Christ sees in the flawed, proud, fanatical or lukewarm Church on earth that Bride who will one day be without spot or wrinkle, and labours to produce the latter, so the husband whose head-ship is Christ-like (and he is allowed no other sort) never despairs. He is a King Cophetua who after twenty years still hopes that the beggar girl will one day learn to speak the truth and wash behind her ears.
“To say this is not to say that there is any virtue or wisdom in making a marriage that involves such misery. There is no wisdom or virtue in seeking unnecessary martyrdom or deliberately courting persecution; yet it is, none the less, the persecuted or martyred Christian in whom the pattern of the Master is most unambiguously realised. So, in theses terrible marriages, once they have come about, the “headship” of the husband, if only he can sustain it, is most Christ-like.
“The sternest feminist need not grudge my sex the crown offered to it either in the Pagan or in the Christian mystery. For the one is of paper and the other of thorns. The real danger is not that husbands may grasp the latter too eagerly; but that they will allow or compel their wives to usurp it.”
C. S. Lewis; The Four Loves
Dr Baskerville sees the big picture. The police state in America is growing exponentially.
The “Woman’s Liberation Movement” was not funded by the Rockefeller Foundation to only bring equality to the fairer sex. “MS Magazine” and Gloria Steinem was not funded by the CIA to only give downtrodden women a voice. The real agenda was to tax women and to break up the family.
When the “National Organization for Women” published their “Family Court Report” some years back, the radical feminists accused the CA courts of corruption, since successful mothers were separated from their children in custody cases. Baskerville immediately responded in his article “NOW: Family Courts Not Corrupt Enough” stating “We do not need courts whose bread-and-butter derives from dissolving families”. http://www.gndzerosrv.com/Web%20Pages/basker_pages.htm#Title31
While some feminist intellectuals seem to be preoccupied with celebrating their rise to power, the American middle class is being flushed down the toilet and it is taking good mothers along for the ride.
But the fact remains that, ultimately, this crisis of men, family, and patriarchy was in no small part caused by men eschewing the role, correct?
Part of being a man is taking responsibility. Carping and sad-eyed nostalgia is not manly.
The social research shows that 20 different social pathologies go up between 660% and 2,400% in sole custody homes where mothers rule the roost. See Fatherlessness Statistics at: http://www.FathersUnite.org. This has increasingly been destroying our children for several decades because it is profitable for lawyers and the states through federal matching funds for child support collections and billions in other social programs that are destructive. The checks and balances on government power have been virtually eliminated allowing an out of control, greedy judicial system to essentially evict fathers from their children’s lives using massive and growing police and state powers.The U.S. is doomed if this trend is not reversed. What is most shocking it is that it is mostly unconstitutional in the first place, created by women by doing an end run around real law via domestic “violence” and other bogus excuses that do not apply in 90% of the cases the laws are used in. These excuses are used to implement laws for the worst case scenario, then the system uses them in all cases to grab power and money. The older I get the smarter or founding fathers look. If the U.S. Constitution was properly respected this would all be impossible. Equality has been eliminated for the benefit of women, under the excuse of the benefit of children, which is a proven lie.
Matriarchy has been dominating the west for several decades
and does not look like stopping until it finally reaches the upper classes,presumably then it will be too late.Of course I am assuming that men do not particularly wish to become the lapdogs of society but,if they don’t I do not see any movement within their ranks denoting this to be the case,neither do I see any reason why male blogs should contradict the flow of authority from male to female,possibly even the opposite.
Would it not be better ,for men who feel strongly about this subject to start learning about Islam,meet some muslims
and actually go to the mosque.What would the government start to think if even 20% of men started to feel strongly that
this was the only recourse left to them because mateys,
nobody is listening to you and female sympathisers might as well be trolls because they sure as hell aren’t going to pick up your gun and play John Wayne for you
S
What you should be doing is enrolling yourself into muslim classes and changing that religion from the inside.If even 20% of men were to take an interest and start befriending muslims
the government might just get a teensy bit worried.
I have been following these kind of blogs for a long time now
and quite frankly ,without real action it would be better not
to write them,they add fuel to feminist demands and just give some person a starry persona.
Go along with your ideals and try to do something about it,
most of all don’t get into trouble for nothing.
A brilliant analysis of the fruits of Gender Politics.
All who find the fruits distasteful must become politically active, spread the message of this analysis, and vote in November.
It is interesting that feminists are gloating over their enhanced role in a self-destructing society. I guess it is true that evil people would rather rule in Hell than serve in Heaven.
Sadly, our government is broken beyond repair. There is no hope of it ever getting better in its current form. We are ruled by devils and will have to suffer through their wickedness.
I do not think the solution is for men to start going to Mosques. Maybe SSPX chapels, but not Mosques.
Hah! Yet still, well over 90% of on-the-job related deaths are men. Men are the only ones willing to volunteer to do the dirty, the sloppy, the lethal work. As the great Fred Reed once said, “Without men, civilization would last until the oil needed changing.” Like it or not, ladies, men need women and women need men. The world would be a sad place with just one or the other.
It’s obvious to anyone with a shred of intellectual honesty that God has assigned different roles to men and women. Yet if the greatest aspiration of a woman is essentially to become a man then why do we need women? Seriously, I have no doubt there are many things that women do better than men by design, it’s just that most of them are not valued in this society.
Consider our society, do you really believe it to be healthy? Look at the levels of debt, divorce, or drug use. Speaking of drug use, imagine it was suddenly proved that drugs like Prozac have seriously unhealthy long-term side effect and were to be banned (I believe they do). Which gender would complain the loudest? We all know the answer to that.
Our society is tearing itself apart. Meanwhile, we seek to redesign the human race. All I can say is good luck…
Feminism has declared war against manhood. They are winning. However, they will pay the price when Kipling’s ‘Gods of the Copybook Headings’ come to call. The societies who are invading ours across the West are Latin American and Islamic. They still breed men, they still have their family systems intact, they still believe that there is something worth fighting for, and I expect that they will put us out of business, a la 5th Century Rome.
How many of the men whose families were broken by the State do you think are burning with patriotic fervor to defend a social order that makes them outlaws, steals their children, and treats them as if they bear blood guild by virtue of being male/ (Indeed, our prisons, home to the outcasts of innder-city matriarchy, are breeding grounds for Wahabi and Nation of Islam proselytizing.)
The only groups of Caucasians who have intact families and who reproduce at or above replacement rates are the Amish and the Mormons. Perhaps their historians will analyze our deserved fall someday as they stand amidst the ruins of our civilization.
“I do not think the solution is for men to start going to Mosques. Maybe SSPX chapels, but not Mosques.”
Why not? It’s a free country, as the mantra that your ilk say.
If it makes sense and counters the feminist totalitarian culture, it can’t be bad.
“All who find the fruits distasteful must become politically active, spread the message of this analysis, and vote in November.”
Voting in November [against the Democrats - your subtext] won’t change a thing re feminism.
“Elena Kagan ascending positions of power like the US Supreme Court bench, and her propensity to embrace Shari’a law”
Stop talking tripe.
“Men are withdrawing. Even if they still work, they are withdrawing their power, their creativity, their essence, as it were, from the machine. It’s kind of like Ayn Rand’s “Atlas Shrugged” with a gender twist. Masculinity isn’t dead, it’s on strike.”
Tripe.
It is time for the active duty and Veteran military personnel, police, fire and EMT’s to enlist their Oath and Duty to the Constitution of this United States: http://OathKeepers.net
Once we have taken our oaths of service and duty to the Constitution of the United States, we were never given relief from that oath and duty.
THIS is where we will make our stand to defend and protect the sovereignty of this nation.
Semper Fidelis,
Gregory Romeu – Tulsa_Area_Fathers_Rights_Association@yahoogroups.com
Manliness is not dead yet. The vast majority of woman don’t want to conquer or dominate men, they want manly men and are attracted to both cultural and instinctual forms of masculinity. As for Feminist Intellectuals…they range from femenazi man-haters to smart, educated women who are just sick of being burdened with what they feel are quaint, conventional gender norms of a residual Patriarchy. Lets face it, for a long time, women in the western world were oppressed by men and the power that men controlled exclusively. The fact that we have more gender equality under the law today is a good thing.
There’s no question that the surrogate provider role the government has undertaken is not good for family cohesion or the economy–but how is this different from any other formally private institution the government has gradual usurped? Of course it will become a self-sustaining amoral extortion racket.
As some other commentators have mentioned though, we can’t lay the blame for the “decline of manliness” on the government alone. It could be argued that the government filled a vacuum. While there are structural economic reasons why its so much more difficult for a man to be the Head of the Household today…The principles of responsibility and sacrifice as cultural values have experienced a constant devaluation over the years. As my own father says, there is no Shame anymore…the powerful lie and cheat with impunity in full public view and get away with it…if you play by the “rules” you’re a sucker. Shame is a potent social regulator and without it things tend to go to hell.
Anti-family feminsim is just another flavor of Marxism, albeit the most successful form in America today.
The essence of Marxism is to define a victim group and an oppressor group in order to increase government control over every aspect of people’s lives. The idea is that you judge people based on the color of their skin, their sex, their income level (classic Marxism), their religion, sexual proclivities, or anything else you can conjure up to divide them against each other, and wherever possible do not judge them based on the content of their character, facts, evidence, due process, etc.
The people who are designated as oppressed victims and are willing to have their liberty usurped in order to qualify as a member of a victim/oppressed group, or are so thoroughly brainwashed by the ideology that they promote it with no readily discernable benefit to themselves, are referred to as “useful idiots”.
When a particular group can do nothing wrong based on allegedly being part of an oppressed group, and accordingly the so-called oppressor group can do nothing right based on their group membership, eventually the useful idiots among them begin to believe they are superior and the oppressor group is unworthy of equal treatment under color of law or in more extreme cases, such as feminist idealogy today, basic human rights.
Historically, once the transition from a free society to a Marxist society is complete, tens of millions of people need to be exterminated by the Marxist leaders in order to consolidate their power, leaving only the useful idiots and the extremely fearful to live their pitiful lives as servants to the state. It does not matter whether free thinking people or useful idiots are exterminated as long as the point is made that free thinking will not be tolerated.
Of course there are those in the tiny ruling class who live opulently at the expense of widespread misery among all others, but even if you have no morality or conscience your chances of being part of this group are extremely small and typically based on birthright.
Instead of judging others, I suggest you quietly decide what your role will be, with particular emphasis on what sort of lives you want for your descendants should you have any.
Unconstitutional Deal-Bent Bats,
Cleverly Craft by Bureaucrats.
Unconstitutional Deal-Bent bats,
Wielded by vindictive,
Within “sheltered” vessels,
Whittled by “best interest”
With/for clever receipt of bias & prejudices.
“Lets face it, for a long time, women in the western world were oppressed by men and the power that men controlled exclusively.” This is just another myth. How were women oppressed and men were not?
ban marriage, period. Marriage should be illegal.
What was that famous comment from that typically disgusting feminist whose name I can’t be bothered to remember? “A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle”. A bicycle is a beautifully elegant and efficient piece of machinery designed for and by the highest intelligence in creation. A fish is an inherently stupid and limited species from way back in evolution whose sole justification is being part of the food chain and could not in any way make sense of a bicycle. You might as well also say that a woman needs a man like a culturally-illterate, stone-deaf, tone-deaf, retarded quadriplegic needs a cathedral organ.
Come on,J Braunstein,
Of course women were oppressed if by that you mean that they were never to be held to account and were therefore largely ignored in the big decisions,now they make all the big decisions,ignored at peril and are still unaccountable.
Manliness is dying because it is un PC and against feminine doctrine.
In my long lifetime I have known many men who earned less than their wives and children but,they had an innate sense of authority and were clearly the head of the household.Money should not be allowed to dictate.It is who uses it that is important not who makes it,that can change overnight.
At the moment ,In most households it is the woman who is the manager and consequently the boss nevermind who earns what,that is what men need to take back,the managing
and the responsibility,if,as you say women are really looking
for manly men this should not be a problem.
My suggestion that men look to a religion and set of countries which afford them and give them the right to be manly would at least suggest to western so called democratic countries that they mean business.I certainly am not suggesting that all muslim laws should be taken up piecemeal,I suggest that they could be modified for the country concerned and hopefully,the muslim people will also
accept the moderation and then terrorism may become a thing of the past because the divisions will not be as great.
A showdown must come at some point,a
point which obviously will not be in the west’s favour.Why not take the bull by the horns and show we are not all a bunch of
“pinkos”
As women increasingly take up positions in the service industry, and perceive this to be a victory of some sorts, they appear to be oblivious to the fact this type of industry creates zero wealth. In other words we are living off our capital and it cannot continue indefinitly. The post industrial economy is headed towards global bankruptcy as dirty hands go out of fashion.
Take Afganistan for example, a country with plentiful resouces of precious minerals including lithium. For Afganistan to enjoy great services, someone will have to extract the lithium and export it. Teachers may be in demand but someone will have to get their hands dirty to pay for them.
But this is plain old commonsense that most people understand, with the exception of the feminists. The west can afford an army of psychotherapists, but they are being paid from the wealth created generations ago and we are going rapidly into the red.
Thanks to the redfems, who to be fair have been tricked and sold a lie, our civilisation is dying – and the feminist movement will die with it when they wake up and realise just what they have done to our boys.
Are women content to see their own sons marginalised?
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Who the heck reads The Atlantic? Hannag Rosin’s preaching to her own ilk of non-productive parasites in any case. Who does she think she’s kidding? The black women in the inner city who clean her people’s toilets? Those women won’t forget what Hannah Rosin and her kind have done to their men.
Voracious, globe-scouring corporate greed and venality; an effete, gender-bent and soul destroying television “culture” that soaks its thoughts into us; corrupt courts, jackass laws; failing schools; universities filled with emasculated, timid careerists and cultural- pseudo-intellectual charlatans;
Our country is now officially bastardized.
As one who has had the ‘pleasure’ of being the recipient of an Order of Protection, evicted, thrown in the street, and financially ruined (chapter 7 bankruptcy), I think I can say that I’ve lived through the worst Kafka-esque nightmare ever. And I’m not even divorced yet – still trying to get through that.
I am of the opinion that the best way to solve the problem is for men to generally step back, re-assess the way that we approach living with women culturally and stop making financial commitments in the form of marriage contracts. We are already in the process of re-defining what marriage means anyway. Let the train wreck of feminism run its course – nothing says we have to participate.
Women are also empowered through feminist jurisprudence to make false rape/sexual harassment/domestic violence claims with near impunity. While valid, extant claims are horrible crimes, false rape/sexual harassment/domestic violence claims are also horrible crimes. It is a civil and human rights issue, and in the US, is ultimately a Constitutional issue. We must be careful in the current discussion of repealing the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution to stop illegal immigration, because the 14th Amendment, especially the Section 1, also contains provisions for equal protection of the laws. By eliminating the equal protection clause, the current rape shield laws and Violence Against Women Act would grant women and children special elite status in the US as there would be no more Constitutional checks against the rights, privileges and powers granted by such laws and acts.
The 14th Amendment to the US Constitution Section 1:
“Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. ”
What would the lives of American men and boys be with due process and equal protection of the laws (which have already been eroded significantly by child protection laws, rape shield laws, and VAWA). By saying this, I am NOT implying that women and children are undeserving or unworthy of men’s protection and safety and the color of law, but that such laws and acts previously mentioned create an inequality when applied and violate the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment (and sometimes the due process rights) for boys and men. Ever since the passing of the 14th Amendment in 1868, we continue to deal with racial and gender prejudice and mob mentality, but now our problems stem not only from the opprobrium of those who rush to judgment but also from the very corrective measures originally designed to bring equality and end prejudice. To afford the rights of one group at the expense of the rights of another group is a violation of our Constitutional protections and guarantees.
There are news stories every day of false rape claims made against boys and men (and occasionally women). These stories are discussed in detail at False Rape Society (FRS) http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com — they receive little coverage in the mainstream media, and those most at risk (boys and men) are largely unaware of the false rape claim issue and the impact it has on the entire society and culture. Take the time to read through the FRS site in its entirety. You may not agree with every comment you find there, but at least you’ll be aware of the issue.
From Feminism to Fascism. Or am I being redundant? Feminism is Marxism in drag. It is “political theory” as a means to an end: the rise of the tyrannical state and the abolition of the heterosexual white Christian male, the progenitor of the cultural norms of the former USA. It is an arm of the Antonio Gramsci stealth attack on the culture to bring revolution (permanent) from within. The white male has been under attack for over two generations because if you want to destroy a country, you destroy those who created its greatness. It wasn’t the female population that strengthened and grew America and anyone who says otherwise is a liar or a fool. While the men are being trampled to death, they are ground into dirt by the harridans screaming even still of oppression. We are not supposed to ask the logical question: if this oppression is so pervasive and at the hands of the masculine “enemy” how it is so much has been achieved and who paid the price? It’s time all men fought back and take back what was wrenched from them. It’s time to start acting like…..MEN.
What a bunch of wimps! Crybabies. Let us all become MUSLIMS now because they are real men who are not afraid of FEMINISTS. Let’s circumcise our daughters, destroy our Churches, veil our women, let’s ban Classical Music…. No wonder feminism has “won” the day with the wimps who call themselves Christians today. In other words, the so-called RESPONSIBLE sex, the so-called leaders of the family, the ones who created Western Civilization all by themselves – their mothers, sisters, daughters, wives had nothing to do with the creation of the WEST – want to convert to Islam so that they can preserve Christian Civilization.
Feminists won because there were no men fighting for their women. And in the end, the men got the women they deserve.
If only men created the West then it is merely reasonable and logical that women start behaving like men, that they should imitate men, so that women also can contribute in the creation of a great Civilization. Women should stop wasting their time and energy having children, changing diapers, cooking, cleaning, canning, sewing, knitting, and being stupid and simple housewives and instead concentrate their time and energy creating with their brilliant husbands great art and culture. Women have contributed nothing to Western Civilization. Can you imagine how much further ahead we would be right now! … Wait a minute… conservatives sounding just like the very feminists they claim they despise… In the words of the great Scythe: It wasn’t the female population that strengthened and grew America and anyone who says otherwise is a liar or a fool.
You tell them tiger. Spit on your mother.
A little footnote… who created Western Civilization… the Catholic Church or the Protestant Reformation?
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Sites like this are good. Men need to wake up and see what is happening. We are being led and are willfully following, like in the Pied Piper. We have been so brainwashed into believing every “Woman as Victim” story it has clouded our vision. Spread the word guys. This is the only way we are going to level the playing field.
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In reading the article and the responses from what I am assuming are mostly men, can I make an observation, ask some questions, and make a few suggestions? It seems to me that many men are angry about the power that women have assumed in the last few decades, but I wonder why it has to be an us vs. them mentality. Is it really that demeaning to men when women assert their equality and independence? Should women be expected to achieve less because men are choosing not to? If men are losing ground, isn’t it time for them to step up and take responsibility for their own failures and stop blaming it on women? If I don’t get a job that I want, I don’t blame it on the other applicants, I blame it on myself for not being sufficiently qualified, or for not doing my homework to get it! Get educated, work harder, make yourself competitive out there. But don’t blame others for your failures. That’s pathetic.
If there are problems with the family courts, perhaps the laws should be changed? For example, in my state, the laws are written so that both parents of a child are considered the joint natural guardians of that child. Even upon divorce, joint custody is the default until one party or the other proves that it should be different. So, there is already a preference in the law for shared parenting situations and the courts often order or recommend the parties to attend a workshop dedicated to teaching parents how to successfully co-parent (i.e., focus on the child’s interests and not on the arguments that exist between the adults!). Do some people abuse the system? Absolutely. But as an attorney, I see it done every day by people of both sexes. I see women who try to keep the fathers of their children from seeing them and I also see fathers try to shirk their responsibility to their children. I see men who think that paying child support for their children is unfair, but who also aren’t willing to take primary responsibilty for their kids. They view child support as money paid to the ex instead of as money used to support their children. My daughter’s father and I split when she was 8. We were never married, so we didn’t have to go through the divorce process. We managed to work out a co-parenting schedule and child support obligations without involving the courts. During the years that our daughter lived primarily with me, he paid a reasonable amount of child support for her care. During the years that she lived primarily with him, I paid the child support. The number one biggest problem that I see is immature adults who don’t know how to set aside their personal issues for the sake of their kids.
Finally, I think this last point is a very important one. It may be true that women are superficially attracted to the “alpha male type,” at least when it comes to youthful dating. But when a woman starts thinking about the man she wants to marry and have children with, she wants a man who will respect her, love her, treat her as an equal, support her dreams and ambitions just as she supports his. She does not want a “head of the house” kind of mentality from her partner. No one likes to be controlled and told what to do and what not to do. All people like to be respected. Women don’t hate men, even feminist women. They just don’t want to be treated like children by men.
I have a hard time understanding why some men feel threatened by the progress made by women. I think both sexes need to be more careful when choosing a marriage partner and to seek someone with common values and goals. But the outdated idea of men in charge, whether in the home or in the world of work, has got to go. Women deserve to be at the same table with men and treated as equals in all walks of life. This does not mean that men lose. It means that we ALL win.
Carol: you are parrotting the lies that allowed feminism to ascend to power. Lies about women only wanting “equality” and “respect”, and being able to “share”. Lies about men simply having to try harder, and they can get everything they want from our current society, as if there were a nice, level playing field for all. Lies about women not hating men “even feminists”.
Lies that make you a very useful idiot indeed.
Are you capable of breaking out of that mindset by actually hearing what Stephen Baskerville – and an increasing number of men – are saying?
@Carol: “I have a hard time understanding why some men feel threatened by the progress made by women”. I have a hard time understanding why a feminist (Rosin) and the Atlantic would gleefully title an article “The End of Men”, given that we all know feminists “don’t hate men” and “only (sniff) want to be respected”.
Wow guys, with the bitter tone of your responses and your need to belittle my comments, it’s no wonder you are losing the game these days. The better title of the Rosin article might have been “The End of Machismo” or “The End of Hyper-Masculinity” or perhaps even “The End of Violence, Greed and Control Disguised as American Masculinity.” I worked my way up from poverty to success, I worked hard on my education, and I have worked hard at every job that I’ve ever had. And I don’t blame others when I don’t get what I want. Voila! The keys to the kingdom. Either evolve and adapt or watch “your kind” become extinct. It’s totally your choice. Because women don’t want to go back into the kitchen and nor do they want to go back under any man’s thumb.
As for this useful idiot, I think I’ll go back to enjoying the life that I worked my ass off to achieve, while you guys cry in your coffee and hate women.
“Are women content to see their own sons marginalised?”
Answer is YES!
I know many women who ostentatively place their daugthers far above their sons. I know a little boy who sleep in a small spartian room in basement will his divine little sister are on the firts floor (with Mom) in a huge royal room, big bed, luxory furnitures, brand new pink computer, iPod, etc. Who stay home when mom go on travel? Yes the inferior male brother. Who is punished without any question when the little sister say he must be for her amusement? Yes the brother. Who stay at home when mom bring family to see moovies? The boy. Who is humiliated by the little perfect sister in the front of mother and extend familly with approbation of mother?
This is not the only one I know in my own family…
Carol, you need to look around a bit more before you make any more smug pronouncements from the limited little bubble you live in.
Lots of people work very hard, in dangerous, frequently thankless, spirit destroying jobs, and do so without complaint (mostly men 90%) and get nowhere. They are men and are expected to use up their life and frequently sacrifice their health to support their family.
Do you owe your success just to hard work, or were you put on pedestal and given a hand up due to your sex?
I think men need to adjust to the new landscape and stop the dialogue completely with women. They don’t exist any longer.
Remember you will marry your equal (a man). Traditionally there was no chivalry extended to men, women as equals don’t require it. Don’t offer it, ever. Let them carry their own load. If it’s the end of men then let it truly be the end of men. Don’t offer you masculinity to any woman, for any reason. Give them what they want, but give it all to them, including the crap we live with.
Just curious Care-all, did you leave your husband before or after he paid off your tuition. Or was that paid for by your father? After all how could an oppressed woman manage to pay her own way. Maybe you should get your ex to post here so we can get more balance and less BS.
Cannot speak for others, but if I could find a society on earth that still respected men, that was not Muslim, I’d move there. Luckily, I married a traditional woman who knows the value of men, but I see from my many friends who cannot find a decent, traditional women to marry here in the States that they are going overseas to find mates, or not finding them at all. All can see the marriage game is rigged against men, especially where children and divorce are concerned.
Myself? I hate what feminism has done to America, and western civilization generally.
There is a solution: reprimitivization or partial reprimitivization.
Women can get away with the nonsense of feminism because of technology, pure-and-simple. Back before everything was mechancially-assisted, robotic and what have you, male strength and toughness was needed. The other prospect, as Fred Reed notes; feminism will last about as long as women don’t need anything fixed, built, or designed.
Perhaps it is time for men to boycott those things which are taken for granted. We may sleep on the couch in perpetuity, but the result might be worth it.
Carol, “Carol, on August 14th, 2010 at 7:31 pm Said:
Wow guys, with the bitter tone of your responses and your need to belittle my comments, it’s no wonder you are losing the game these days.”
Don’t gloat, Carol… the sexual revolution is indeed over, but women arguably didn’t win at all. They lost, just as men did. There were no winners. I look around, and there a great many women unhappy and wondering where all the ‘real men’ went. Well, the answer is “Be careful what you wish for!” You feminists killed off, or at least made go underground, most of the real men, and they aren’t having any more of your self-serving nonsense. You made your bed, now lie in it. Women wanted casual sex without complications and commitment? Hey fine, works for us. You wanted to be treated like men in the workplace? Hey, have at it, you think it is so wonderful being a sole breadwinner. You disliked men holding the door open for you out of respect? Well, don’t be surprised if it slams in your face now. And forget about getting help changing that tire. You’re on your own, babe — good luck.
Isn’t feminism glorious?
“Just curious Care-all, did you leave your husband before or after he paid off your tuition. Or was that paid for by your father? After all how could an oppressed woman manage to pay her own way. Maybe you should get your ex to post here so we can get more balance and less BS.”
Neither Keith. I took out student loans and received grants for scholastic achievement just like many other college students do. I don’t have an ex-husband because I’ve never married. And like all too many American fathers these days, my own abandoned my mother to raise 5 children on her own. My ex and I are friends to this day, so I would have nothing to worry about if you talked to him about his perspective on any part of what I’ve written about. He’s one of the few decent men left out there. He’s not afraid of competing with women, nor does he blame them for his difficulties in life. And he’s not afraid of feminists either. In fact, he would likely describe himself as one, in the sense that he believes strongly in the equality of the sexes. Together, we have successfully parented a daughter to adulthood. We didn’t fight in court over who would have custody, nor did he shirk his responsibilty to support her when I was the primary caretaker. That’s a real man. One who helps to raise and support the children that he helps to bring into the world, regardless of the success or failure of his relationship with the mother of those children.
What exactly is it that you men are looking for anyway? A woman who will bow to your every command? A woman who will let you be in charge? What is your problem with equal partnership, anyway? Get over yourselves already! Just because you can’t treat women like children doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy a fulfilling relationship with one. You guys sound like bitter divorcees who are pissed off because your wives left you. There’s counseling for that you know.
Georgiaboy, I am the primary breadwinner for my family and I enjoy it very much, thank you. I am a woman who prefers working to staying at home with children. Why is that so threatening to some men? Oh, and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist or a man to fix, build or design anything, nor does it take a man to change a flat tire. All it takes is a person, male or female, with half a brain and a desire to learn. When you hear women complaining about where the real men went, please know that they are specifically talking about the prolonged adolescence that men seem to suffer from these days. When grown men are playing video games, are addicted to pornography, and are acting as armchair quarterbacks in their lazyboy recliners instead of working hard to achieve their goals, sharing in the responsibility of caring for their children, and helping around the house, then yes, women wonder where the real men went, because the world seems to be filled with a bunch of teenaged boys! And the last thing any woman needs is to take care of an adult child.
Poester99, we all make choices, don’t we? Men have options too. Go to school and get an education if you don’t want to be involved in physical labor. Take some responsibility and don’t have children before you can support yourself and them. No one gave me a “hand up” because of my sex. I worked for every success that I’ve ever had. I crawled out of devastating poverty to get to where I am today. And you know something? There is nothing stopping men from doing the exact same thing. Stop blaming women for your own failures and get off the couch and do something meaningful with your lives.
Carol,
you have no reason to complain since the social pathologies you complain about were all caused by feminism and the Sexual Revolution. Destroying men’s mandatory economic role as sole breadwinner, marginalizing them through affirmative action, and letting women cluster around the few alpha males they are sexually attracted to all encourage young men to slack, play video games, prolong adolescence – after all, they aren’t expected to marry early and become sole breadwinners by the age of 25, and being a dutiful beta provider doesn’t make them attractive to women. And most of the immature/misogynist men you dislike are the products of single mother households (made possible by feminism and the nanny state), de-masculinising upbringing and education.
For all these ills you have no one else to blame but feminists like yourself.
Yes, Fathers and males in general are marginalized in this Feminazi nightmare. I agree with Dadzrites when he said that “any matriarchal society has fallen prey to stronger male-dominated societies over time.” Western Civilization is now a female-centric culture on the path to self-destruction with falling birthrates, increasing gang violence, illegal drugs, rampant pornography, fatherless children, a soaring divorce rate, and more signs of decay too numerous to list here as the Feminazi gynocracy grows stronger each year. In ancient times, according to Herodotus, the Sauromatae or Amazons gained control over the males in their society just like their modern-day feminist sisters. The Greeks eventually defeated them in the battle of Thermodon near the Black Sea because all female-centric cultures are eventually defeated by male-centric cultures. Amazonian society never produced great philosophers or scientists, but they had male slaves. Probably the ancient Sauromatian feminist society didn’t last very long because the men eventually had a revolution and overthrew their feminist/amazonian masters. Modern-day male slaves who work 90% of the year paying income taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, child support, alimony, and other government-imposed slavery should also rebel against this Feminazi modern-day amazonian regime.
“being a dutiful beta provider doesn’t make them attractive to women.”
Hollenhund, I beg to differ. Every happily married woman I know is with a man that you would describe as a “beta provider.” Young women who are just beginning to date may be attracted to “alpha males.” Women who want to be pampered and treated like little princesses may be attracted to “alpha males.” But most mature women who want a partner in life and someone to help them raise children do NOT want egotistical, arrogant, controlling, domineering and philandering men to fill that role. Being an alpha male may impress other men, as you all try to out-jockey each other in displays of testosterone-soaked silliness. But it does not impress women, except for the dumb ones. Funny, the men I’m talking about aren’t the products of single mother households. No, these men are just parroting the behavior of their fathers, and living up to the “boys will be boys” mentality. But I can guarantee you that adult women think that a man who finds joy in playing with his children is much sexier by far than a man with a fast car, big muscles, or a tough boy attitude. In fact, the latter kind of man is a huge turnoff. But you know what IS a turn on? A man who works hard to educate himself, who makes goals and sticks to them, who treats women with respect, who knows how to be a friend to women, who helps, respects, and loves his mother, who can cook and do his own laundry and doesn’t live in a state of squalor, who loves children, who takes care of his physical, spiritual and emotional health, who knows how to express emotions other than just anger, and who doesn’t tolerate disrespect of women from other men. THAT is an attractive man to a woman.
The fact is, women want EQUAL partners. We don’t want fathers, we don’t want bosses, and we don’t want our mates to be children. We want someone who we can respect and someone who respects us. We want someone who will share in the responsibility for household chores and not expect us to shoulder the burden alone or even primarily simply because we are female. We want someone who believes that it is just as much his responsibility as ours to figure out what’s for dinner, for reading bedtime stories to the kids, for going to PTA or parent-teacher meetings, and for doing the things that need to be done. We want someone who doesn’t ogle every single other woman he sees, and who doesn’t treat us as his own personal maid service. We want someone who respects the contributions that we make to the household, to the budget, to the family. We want someone who honors our career choices and takes them as seriously as he would his own. We want someone who is intellectually interested, compassionate toward others, and who strives to make the world a better place in his own small way.
Don’t blame women for the failures of men. Take some responsibility for your own lives and your own choices. Stop choosing women based on their bra size instead of the content of their character. Seriously, you guys are ridiculous. It’s easy to sit on your couch and complain about the state of the world and blame it on others, feminists being a convenient target apparently. How many of you are out there doing something to make the world a better place? How many of you are stepping up to the plate to serve as mentors for the young men whose fathers have abandoned them? How many of you are helping young men to succeed in school? We women support each other and help girls to have healthy attitudes about their sex. What are you MEN doing to help boys grow into healthy men?
You guys can cling to your patriarchal fantasies all you want. It will just cause you to live a lonely and bitter life, because women are not going back in time. We like freedom too much. You can either evolve with us or you can be left behind. It’s up to you.
I love it with feminists write about ME the female and my lost rights that Policy took, and males gave back to me, ignorant in regards to Politics, yet willing to sacrifice my self, and my children for their own agenda (hatred of children and males) and all out Capitalistic greed…whilst unbeknownst to them, they are but Chattel to the state…what happens when your little child-pawns age out of the system?
Bolshevism (the Model of feminist theory) will reveal what happens to you, the now expendable female, once all the males are extrapolated of all their wealth.
When you become liability to the state, and your “protector” (Democratic theory) starts walking you into the ovens, gas chambers, and in front of the firing squads, where will the men be that you false flagged, falsely accused, and railroaded to the edges of society? Who is going to protect you?
YOU do not speak on my behalf…
http://www.econ.yale.edu/~pschultz/
Dr. Baskerville provides an excellent response to the gloating anti-male feminist. Other feminists offer their support for the government planned matriarchy. Several men weigh in on both sides. What is forgotten in this debate, is the detriment to children and society which results from the governments pandering to females.
The strongest predictor of whether a person will end up in prison, is that they were raised in a single mother home.
Seventy percent of inmates in juvenile detention centers, and eighty percent of inmates in adult prisions, come from single mother homes.
72% of juvenile murderers and 60% of convicted rapists come from single mother homes.
70% of unwed teen births occur to girls in single mother homes.
90% of welfare recipients are single mothers.
85% of homeless families are headed by single mothers.
Children brought up in single mother homes are:
Five times more likely to commit suicide.
9 times more likely to drop out of high school.
10 times more likely to become addicts.
14 times more likely to commit rape.
20 times more likely to end up in prison.
32 times more likely to run away from home.
The city of Detroit is #1 in unmarried births among the nations 50 largest cities. It is also #1 for violent crimes, 1220 per 100,000 population.
Government welfare programs and family court proclivities have incentivised our matriarchial system, which is rapidly creating a dysfunctional nation. We currently have an administration which is taking advantage of the (planned?) crisis to obviate the Constitution and replace our Republic with a Communistic autocracy. This debate is less about male vs. female than it is the preservation of our nation.
Excellent essay, Stephen. I love your work.
Yes, the great majority of jobs lost in this, quite possibly, Greater Depression have been lost by men. And note the fields in which they were lost: Finance (it may be a good thing if that field shrinks), construction, and manufacturing. The size of the federal government has grown enormously, however. The government is a major employer of women, and the government creates little of value, yet government workers get paid money, much of it borrowed, to buy things made outside of the country. The feminists, who celebrate this, are blind to the fact that the light at the end of the tunnel is a freight train barreling down on them.
The trade deficit is the fundamental weakness that will ultimately break the US economy, and feminists cheer when jobs that actually create things are lost to the US, because those jobs were held by men.
The so-called Great Recession is just a shot across the bow; far worse may soon be upon us. Feminists and the government are celebrating the collapse of the US economy that is transpiring as we write.
Carol, you must be living in different world than I am. I am one of the many men doing exactly what you wish men would do. I quit my job and started home based business in order to be with my kids full time. When my ex-wife found a new boyfriend she just went to court and fabricated bogus allegations of violence. Without any evidence of my wrongdoing I was evicted from my house and separated from my children. I am educated loving and caring father, had owned the house for ten years before my marriage. Four years later, despite my ongoing commitment to my children, after my house was sold to the benefit of my ex and her lawyers I am still fighting in courts to be able to see my children. Let’s face it – women are emotional and irrational much more than men and as such, much easier to play by the court agents. The idea behind it is simple – give a bitch control over children and his assets and watch the conflict evolve and count the money coming in. This kind of discrimination makes men run away from marriage and any commitment to a woman.One more thought, consider the following: if all women would disappear from Earth the internet would still be working, airplanes and cars would run, power and water would be delivered. O the other hand, if all men would disappear, the world would devolve immediately to stone age. You are a lawyer, how many lawyers would be needed in stone age society?
Baskerville’s article takes us one step further in understanding his powerful and still evolving thesis for the gradual evolution to a gendered “Planet of the Apes” society. Starting with the plight of divorced males in a gender biased legal system, Stephen has in recent years undertaken to explain this societal metamorphosis in an evolving hypothesis of institutional power dynamics.
Much like sharks need to perpetually move to pass water through their gills, Baskerville’s implicit axiom has been that the very nature of institutions is to seek to expand power as status quo risks institutional death. With the centuries old struggle between state and church now decided, state focus in the last century has instinctively shifted to the institution of the family as its next target, presumably before the final power showdown of state vs corporate monoliths.
Although not stated in precisely these terms, Baskerville has [correctly] argued in his writings that feminism has served as an opportunistic ideology to synergistically advance impersonal state power behind the ostensible guise of gender equality while , in return, allowing radical elements to infest the state. This brings us to the current formulation of his hypothesis that, at heart, the state-feminist nexus is all about economic redistribution and political power.
One senses in his recent works that Baskerville is coming very close to formulating the societal challenge in terms that will finally let the penny drop into the national consciousness as the requisite for a paradigm shift. It’s been apparent for some time that Marxist feminist statism is not a sustainable model as –like its counterpart in the former Soviet Union- it is based on infinite funding via expanding state deficits to subsidize massification of economically inefficient single-parent family units generating insufficiently productive human capital to sustain society.
The Marxist feminist notion of gender equality being achieved through gender criminalization of 50% of the population with the other 50% being brides of the state is nothing more than gender apartheid or gender eugenics. True gender equality within a healthy society starts from the premise of economic independence and self-reliance.
This leads to the conclusion that over-bearing statism may be detrimental to both genders in the short term, and continuation of a vibrant society in the longer term. The incredible awakening of the Independents in the last US election together with their re-awakening for the mid-term elections suggests this unarticulated conclusion may be reaching a critical mass in the national consciousness.
Even though many women despise Rosin’s henpecking, human nature makes it difficult for them to abstain from their ill-gotten gains.
Men have enslaved themselves. Virtually all the enforcers of feminist bigotry and oppression are men.
It is now in the fabric of our society. Hopefully we will all evolve from these days of darkness.
As a unique member of Divorced Fathers, I am/was the custodial parent, 1 of the 3% of the divorced fathers in Ohio. My sons have grown up like many other children in our broken society, minus one parent. Their mother did whatever she could for 16 years of their childhoods to take me back to court with frivolous claims and making the most vile of false accusations. The child services and family courts systems (My tax dollars hard at work to destroy me) did everything they could to facilitate her Judicial attacks on me and her own children, throughout the years. Never once did they offer to help me like they were her, infact when I went to “Legal Aid” (A tax paid free legal service) for help I was informed “My kind of case was not supported.” What the hell does that mean exactly? Yet they had many cases exactly the same other then the Father was the accused. 17 years later my sons stayed safe enough that I was able to get them through school and they learned about their Local, State and Federal governmants, their the ones that tried to injure them when they were little. The boys are now young adults and productive, all no thanks to “My Government” the Sexest pieces of crap used my kids to steal my tax dollars for 16 years and the Federal Government are guilty of helping them. May they all pay for their evil attacks on babies across the country …. IN HELL! Guess what parties I wont be voting for in Novemeber? We The People have had enough of the hypocrits.
Don’t blame women for the failures of men. Take some responsibility for your own lives and your own choices. Stop choosing women based on their bra size instead of the content of their character. Seriously, you guys are ridiculous. It’s easy to sit on your couch and complain about the state of the world and blame it on others, feminists being a convenient target apparently.
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Lets destroy the welfare state and see how independent and strong women are. Women in general are like locusts who destroy everything of value in their path and can only compete with men by enacting and enforcing the nanny state (especially since great society). For every self-actualized modern liberated woman there are 50 single moms parasitically preying on the innocent taxpayer. For your suggestion of “go get an education” there is going to be a student loan bubble that will NEVER be repaid and will alter many life plans and drive some underground or off the grid. To say that women are less rational than men would be an understatement, just think of how great the kids will have it when we bankrupt the economy! Lets take out a second mortgage on the nation’s productive capacity to pay nurses to push around old people in wheelchairs! Like locusts I say.
“What are you MEN doing to help boys grow into healthy men?”
Well Carol, we”ll teach them how to handle those “evolved” (LOL) feminists like you. We’ll teach them avoid marriage, and let economy collapse. You’ve cooked your food, time to eat it. Good appetite.
Let’s see how “evolved” are you on your own.I’m curious.
“We women support each other and help girls to have healthy attitudes about their sex.”
No, you completely fuck up their lives, it’s a pity you don’t see it.
Here in u.k i have a feminist sister who thinks favouritism for women is equality. but i havnt spoken to her for 2 years now and i wont either untill she stops thinking of men as 2nd class.you should all do the same and if women destroy us as they are trying to do then they will be left alone and the silly swines will be taken over by communist or muslim invaders and they will treat woman like the shit women realy are.
It will never happen, but what if men went on strike for 30 days.
Garbage would pile up.
When a power line was down electricity would be off and stay off. Without electricity there is no lights, or air conditioning, and even the gas furnace would not work.
There are a few women drivers, but trucking would stop meaning no mail, the stores would be empty of food, and cars would run out of gasoline. The men could store enough to feed their hungry children. However, the rulers and the women would first threaten and then start begging the men to return to work.
I wish people would stop making primarily cultural arguments here.
The problem is that the average wage has DECLINED. You can see this in official DOL statistics where they claim the real median income for a man has been roughly the same for 35 years. Since we know they have adjusted their inflation gauging criteria a couple times since then, this means a substantial decline. The median income of women has risen only because of the increase in employment, keeping household income about the same, but at the expense of the family.
Liberal feminism and market capitalism have worked hand in hand to destroy the family, but which do you think is the stronger force? Sure, a few yuppie women married to lawyers insist on careers, but they aren’t numerically important. People take extra jobs because they *HAVE TO* to maintain the family’s standard of living, and this was pushed firstly by market forces and secondarily culturally via State propaganda and corporate media.
Market capitalism is what you have when you leave people alone and that has not existed since the 1920s. Again lets see how capable women are without the welfare state, without the EEOC forcing people to hire people they dont want, without subsidized daycare and without other obligations imposed by the state on third parties to make things easy for the weak person. The only reason any woman would want these things is because they know they are incapable of getting them from men or based upon their own productivity.
I cannot feel sorry for the death of Western civilization. If it was stupid enough to incorporate chivalry, which is what lead to all this evil feminism, and the men who went through so much suffering from feminism will be dumb enough to incorporate it (chivalry) again if Western women return to gender roles and abandon feminism completely, then I hope the Asians, who never had it in the first place, take over and crush us forever.
“Tami Pepperman, on September 1st, 2010 at 12:04 am Said:
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When you become liability to the state, and your “protector” (Democratic theory) starts walking you into the ovens, gas chambers, and in front of the firing squads, where will the men be that you false flagged, falsely accused, and railroaded to the edges of society? Who is going to protect you?”
Answer: watching the football.
I think feminists need to go study German history 1918 – 1945 to see how crazy men can get when pushed into a corner.
“You guys can cling to your patriarchal fantasies all you want. It will just cause you to live a lonely and bitter life, because women are not going back in time. We like freedom too much. You can either evolve with us or you can be left behind. It’s up to you.”
Well Carol … let me see ! Ummm …. I think we’d like to stay behind – you can keep evolving to wherever it is you think you’re going ! Good luck and GodSpeed !!
Actually I’d rather elaborate on a couple of things :
“Being an alpha male may impress other men, as you all try to out-jockey each other in displays of testosterone-soaked silliness. But it does not impress women, except for the dumb ones. Funny, the men I’m talking about aren’t the products of single mother households. No, these men are just parroting the behavior of their fathers, and living up to the “boys will be boys” mentality.”
First of all I’d like to re-define what you term “alpha male” … and I’d like to do that by stating first what “alpha men” are not : which is to say beer guzzling fast car driving philandering muscle pumping “wanna be” whatevers – that’s a media definition – in fact, the irony is, that most “Alpha Men” are exactly the ones who brought themselves up in life by their own efforts, brought up their children well, and provided for their families, and protected their wives and mothers – However, the thing is, Men of this type, in a majority of their cases, want their wives to be homemakers first, and work outside the home only if necessary, although in these “progressive, liberated” times, they may be hesitant to say it openly, but in their hearts, this is what they feel in most cases – which is why, even if the Men meet the “checklist for desirability ” you put out, in everyway, it STILL would not work out in these times – Men such as these were typical of the generation of my Father, a point to which I’m going to come to a little later – your typical “media” characterization of men being porn addicted video game playing good for nothing adolescents in the bodies of 30 year olds, are really not the majority in any part of the world – in fact, the largest proportion of these type of individuals ( which actually are to be found in both genders, except in the case of women, it might be a propensity to go out clubbing or shopping or whatever instead of playing video games ) probably exist ( unfortunately ) in the US – the home of feminism, or as Maria Shriver and her ilk like to gloat – ” The Woman’s Nation ” … when you say : ” you all try to out-jockey each other in displays of testosterone-soaked silliness ” : who is ” you all ” ??? How many men are in America today between the ages of 20-40 and how many of those fit into your description ? A huge majority of these Men infact would be normal human beings, pretty good at what they do in life, and would make great Fathers and Husbands. In so far as “jockeying each other” goes, Men thrive on competition – we find it healthy – it’s the competition of Men that built civilization, a fact which feminists hate to mention – they’ll talk about the wars etc. but they’ll forget to mention that the computers that they are typing their words on and the electrical system on which the comps run is the work of men, “jockeying each other” indulging in their “male”-ness – yeah you know what ? we got testosterone and a dick, same as you have estrogen and ovaries – dig it. The fact that this upsets you reveals a bad case of penis envy, which is all that feminism is about basically – Furthermore you state : “Funny, the men I’m talking about aren’t the products of single mother households. No, these men are just parroting the behavior of their fathers, and living up to the “boys will be boys” mentality.”
So here’s the thing Ma – i AM a ” Man parroting ( or at-least trying to ) the behavior of my Father ” – he is now going to be 73 years old Praise the Lord – and he fits into the archetypal description of an old school “Patriarchal” Man, the head of his household – He was ( rather is ) as brilliant a specimen of Manhood as ever was – Skilled in several different subjects ranging from Mathematics, Physics, Literature, Jewellery, Business, Music ( Jazz and Classical), Chess etc.etc. and an expert in judo, capable of defending himself against multiple muggers attacking him simultaneously, as he showed me on the street once. He worked his butt off for several decades making huge sacrifices to bring up his two sons, and although he was stuck in a bad marriage, he did not go in for a divorce for the sake of his children – He is a spiritual man who introduced my brother and myself to a whole beautiful universe that I’m truly blessed to know – the knowledge and wisdom that I gained from him keeps me going to this day – He was a strict Father and brooked no bullshit from anyone, least of all his wife or children, but at the same time he was a caring Father, and despite any differences he may have had with his wife over anything, he would protect us all at any cost – He never got drunk or beat up on his wife, and never looked at another woman in the wrong way – infact as far as that was concerned, if Venus herself tried to get at him, she would have been told to shove it by him – and there was never any doubt as to who was the head of the household, and whose word was final, Thank God.
So yeah – I’m trying to “parrot” him in all these respects – and I’m also trying to “parrot” him in another aspect – he happened to think that the whole “women’s lib” thing was a crock of shit – not that he disrespected or hated women – he always thought of men and women as equal – however he did not think of men and women as “equivalent” i.e. he believed that Men and Women were not the same, and were not meant to perform similar functions or play similar roles in society, but rather that Men and Women had different and complementary roles and functions and were equipped to perform these roles and functions differently – conversely put, there are certain areas and functions in the world which are meant for Men, and the whole idea of Women trying to perform those functions in an effort to prove that they can do everything that Men can do just as well as Men, was to him, a crock of shit – however there is an important distinction here – he was quite clear that people do not have a right to enforce on other people their views, or to force them to lead their lives in a certain way, so if Women wanted to play lumberjack, as far as he was concerned, that was their right as human beings.
Men like my Father were the prime enemy of Feminism about forty-fifty years ago, and for a variety of reasons – First of all, in order for Women to successfully compete with Men at Masculine activities, the feminists ( male and female ) had to bring about a situation wherein Men like my Father ( who were the norm in those days ) would become like an extinct species – because in a competition in society with Men like my Father being the norm, Women would have no hope of success at Masculine activities – as a fact, there wasn’t a woman anywhere in our neck of the woods who could surpass my Father at what he did in his prime – and that’s simply nature, not some imaginary “social construct” that feminists theorize –
This meant that the very concept of Masculinity had to be attacked ( and viciously, at least in the beginning, because you cannot bring about a great social upheaval politely – for example, I remember reading about how feminist rallies were creating a whole lot of noise at the oscar ceremonies in 71, protesting the Dirty Harry movie – it’s a pretty good sign of where the movement was coming from – “Dirty Harry” was the kind of Man that first had to made extinct, because even the most “Amazonian” female cop looked kinda stupid next to him – )
In other words, the Males had to be emasculated – and this was accomplished by systematically changing the system of education, by changing laws, making sure that porn, soft and hard, was available freely and a lot, by bringing about a situation in society where boy’s grew up away from the Father’s training and influence, either by marginalizing Father’s by draconian laws such as the no-fault divorce, or for example, by promoting typical oprahwinfrey type pop-voodoo psychological horse-shit methods of child raising – spare the rod and spoil the child till the cows come home – by using the media as a social engineering tool to attack the type of masculinity that was the greatest weapon against feminism ( that my Father, GrandFather and Men of his generation were living examples of ) and to promote the type of pseudo masculinity that would serve the “purpose diabolique” … and part of this was the denigration of Men in the media, in movies, on TV, in newspapers, magazines, etc. that continues to this day, and the promotion of the supposed greatness and superiority of the female gender – if you can make enough movies with “Lara Croft” type female characters, which would also incidentally serve the purpose of titillation of the “porn obsessed” teenage male, then one day, the movie will become a social reality – a movie “without” a movie ! Then you can bring about the artificial/anti-natural situation we have in the world today, where you have Women doing Male activities and competing successfully with Men, simply because the “Men” so called , are “Men” only in name – simply having the body of a Man does not make you a real Man – the whole dark point to the business was, that if the the majority of the Men in the World were of the type that my Father or GrandFather (who was a typical rags to riches story) exemplified, then the Women couldn’t successfully compete in that scenario – in such a world, there would naturally be a whole sphere of activities which would be the domain of Men, and Women trying to compete in that sphere of activities would suffer some major embarrassments – not to mention, they wouldn’t “get the gig” to begin with, because there would always be some Man or the other somewhere, who would be the best Man for the “job” – which would make it impossible for the feminist powers that be to prove that Men and Women are equivalent – and the word is “equivalent”, NOT “equal” – and it would be impossible for the same powers that be to bring about the anti-natural state of the world we now live in. Therefore, the first thing was, that the Man, the REAL Man, such as my Father exemplified in his life, as did most Men of his generation, and his Father before him, (not the video playing porn addict “Alpha Male” that you speak about, a type that REAL Men consider trash anyways) – had to go … become extinct –
Anyways, the main thing is this – we are human beings first, not Men or Women, and every Human Being is born with certain inalienable rights – one of them being, freedom of choice to do in life as they deem fit, as long as they aren’t murdering people or indulging in similar despicable acts – In other words, Carol, the point here is, you obviously have the right as a human being to choose to become a lawyer, as opposed to a home-maker and no other human being, Man or Woman, has the right to dictate to you otherwise. That’s YOUR right as a human being – and by the same token, I ( and countless other Men like myself ) have the right to live my life based on MY personal belief that it’s not my job to figure out what’s for dinner or to make sure junior got his homework done, and is in bed by 9 pm … that’s my wife’s job, not mine ( luv ya Dad ! ) – MY job, as a Man, at the base material level, is to go out in the world, hunt down some dragons ( i.e. kick ass at what I do in life ), and provide for my Family – that’s MY gig, not my wife’s – which is not to say that what I do is greater or more important than what my wife would be doing, just different that’s all – and it’s also my right as a human being to live my life according to my personal belief that it’s not possible for my wife to make our home AND work outside the home at the same time, and do justice to both, which in any case as far as I’m concerned, would not be doing society at large any service because even if my wife did get a job, she’d just be depriving some Man somewhere who was more deserving of that job, and would have made HIS living and feeding HIS family doing it – and if the woman I fancy doesn’t agree with me on all of this, that’s to bad for her – all I gotta worry about in that case, is to make sure I get up early in the morning, say my prayers, and make sure I live right to ensure I sublimate my sexual urges towards other creative activities as opposed to getting addicted to sex or porn in an unnatural way, or end up sleeping with prostitutes, and generally become the type of Man that gives fuel to Women like yourself to “crow” about …
All of which in fact brings me back to where I started in response to your statement –
“You guys can cling to your patriarchal fantasies all you want. It will just cause you to live a lonely and bitter life, because women are not going back in time. We like freedom too much. You can either evolve with us or you can be left behind. It’s up to you.”
Well Carol … let me see …. Ummm …. I think we’d like to stay behind – Don’t worry about us getting lonely or bitter – I doubt we’ll be “doing” either of those – you see, we too like our freedom too much – so we’ll leave you keep evolving to wherever it is you think you’re going … Good luck and GodSpeed !!
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The future society seems like a huge Kibutzim.
Let me see if I have this right: We die much earlier than females, and it’s blamed on our “weak male genes”? Ever heard of Methusaleh and Abraham? They lived to be 1,000! It’s the unnatural stress that all males, men and boys endure, stupid! Women can kill our babies, and we have no say. What about the man’s body? We provide half the genetic material needed to create a zygote, or fertilized ovum, but have no say in whether or not our babies are born.We have to support babies, which 90% of us do, contrary to man-hating bitch (you can’t use any derivative of the word female) but we have no say in whether our own babies are born! Most importantly, what about the precious bodies of the innocent unborn, and why are most womb-murdered babies male!?
I think the message is pretty clear, women want us as their slaves, plain and simple. They want all the power and they want us to shut-up and conform, without so much as even a suggestion as to what we think. That’s called slavery because we are also expected to take it and like it. Never in a million years has a civilized society of men ever done this to their women. Women may have felt like second class citizens but men protected them with their lives, they protected their honor, and loved them with all their hearts wanting only their happiness. But that wasn’t enough for many women today, now they want everything and don’t give a damn about the men they have to exploit to get it.
We should all disperse, leave every area ripe with the feminist indoctrinated ideals and find better places to live. If you are divorced and owe child support, just leave the country. It may be painful to leave your children behind, but staying here may only make it worse seeing as you have no visitation rights and mom with the help of the state is raising them to believe you are a loser. If our society really doesn’t need men, then lets give them what they want and see them prove their hypothesis.
I posted to try and keep this thread going. Are there any links to updates for this year?
Men need to start acting collectively on gender issues, just like women have done for decades. So long as women divide us, they will continue to rule us.
Mangina politicians, educators, bureaucrats, psychologists, family lawyers, etc. need to be held to account for their betrayal of an entire generation of men and boys for their own materialistic ends.
Come the revolution, such traitors should be first against the wall.