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		<title>By: Matthew Rogers</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2009/12/21/in-tea-parties-we-trust/comment-page-1/#comment-12739</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is the wrong battle to pick as it reinforces the stereotype of conservatives as being anti science.  OTOH if tea partiers want to oppose globalist trade that leads to outsourcing of American jobs, pointless overseas interventions as pointed out in the excellent article by Andrew Bacevich here, and opposition to the ever expanding police state that impinges constantly on the freedom of American citizens with taserings and harassment then I think a strong populist movement uniting the disaffected left and true conservative paleos is possible that with smart organizing could place candidates in political office.

I say this BTW as a lefty Green who is also an open minded reader of The American Conservative, lewrockwell.com, antiwar.com, etc.  I have been telling my lefty friends for months now BTW that the tea partiers are *not* the enemy of the American people, that the enemy is concentrated government power, militarism, and concentrated globalist wealth as exemplified by bankster and their corruption.  Your writer Bill Kauffman here is a think a positive example of someone who could bring the decentralist anti authoritarian left and paleos together. 

Something to think about...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is the wrong battle to pick as it reinforces the stereotype of conservatives as being anti science.  OTOH if tea partiers want to oppose globalist trade that leads to outsourcing of American jobs, pointless overseas interventions as pointed out in the excellent article by Andrew Bacevich here, and opposition to the ever expanding police state that impinges constantly on the freedom of American citizens with taserings and harassment then I think a strong populist movement uniting the disaffected left and true conservative paleos is possible that with smart organizing could place candidates in political office.</p>
<p>I say this BTW as a lefty Green who is also an open minded reader of The American Conservative, lewrockwell.com, antiwar.com, etc.  I have been telling my lefty friends for months now BTW that the tea partiers are *not* the enemy of the American people, that the enemy is concentrated government power, militarism, and concentrated globalist wealth as exemplified by bankster and their corruption.  Your writer Bill Kauffman here is a think a positive example of someone who could bring the decentralist anti authoritarian left and paleos together. </p>
<p>Something to think about&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillip Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 03:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing which really irritates me in all this tea-party bashing is the insistence by some that these protests are somehow fake (i.e. astroturf vis a vis grassrots). I can say with certainty that the majority of these protesters haven&#039;t been planted by the Republican Party; in fact, many feel the Republican Party has abandoned them.  To claim the Republican Party is behind the tea-party phenomenon is to give that party way too much credit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing which really irritates me in all this tea-party bashing is the insistence by some that these protests are somehow fake (i.e. astroturf vis a vis grassrots). I can say with certainty that the majority of these protesters haven&#8217;t been planted by the Republican Party; in fact, many feel the Republican Party has abandoned them.  To claim the Republican Party is behind the tea-party phenomenon is to give that party way too much credit.</p>
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		<title>By: Norwegian Shooter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norwegian Shooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sgt. Z, that&#039;s pure wing-nuttery. What&#039;s going on with this post? Everyone is supposed to stay within the boundary set by Pat for out there-ness. Anybody further out has plenty of other places to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sgt. Z, that&#8217;s pure wing-nuttery. What&#8217;s going on with this post? Everyone is supposed to stay within the boundary set by Pat for out there-ness. Anybody further out has plenty of other places to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Sgt. John Z. USMC, D.A.V.</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2009/12/21/in-tea-parties-we-trust/comment-page-1/#comment-12276</link>
		<dc:creator>Sgt. John Z. USMC, D.A.V.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 13:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fear that we are witnessing is the very beginning of what in the past history of the world, called tryanny.The glaring examples of which the hildabeast calling herself queen bee and sole determinate of our wealth is beyound arrogant, this is pure evil. For someone who claimes to be the smartest woman in this country, she sure lacks an understanding of our Constitution of which SHE SWORE to protect and defend. It will not be left undone either by the Patriots  or the &quot;tea-party&quot; movement.
    The laws of this land are applicable to all, including those in the position of power, no one is above the law, not even the pretender-n-theif. The problem we face today is there seems to be no one in  the position of power to enforce the rule of law.  I believe a case could be made, and should be made that this current CONgress is guilty of sedition and treason. They seem to be bent upon the destruction of this Nation by means of hook and crook through the  Cloward-Piven strategy. This strategy is so obvious it makes a mockery of our laws. The only way for us out of this mess intentionally brought about by the Democrat party, Soro&#039;s, et al is to issue warrents for their arrests and incarseration until they prove otherwise. 
   While the mid-term election is coming upon us, we must be remindful of the progressive&#039;s theft of our treasury for strict political use against the citizens with our money&#039;s.it&#039;s being used to forment this change and hopey thing the pretender-n-theif speaks of, we must not forget his message to his minions of fundamentally changing this Nation.
    He may have fooled 52% of the teet suckers of this nation but not all of  us will take this change of our founding principles, values and morals lying down like the good sheeples of that 52% who are responsible for bringing this evil to our shores. Some of us adults must say no to their theft. They must be held accountable and serve their prison terms without any resemblence of mercy towards their acts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fear that we are witnessing is the very beginning of what in the past history of the world, called tryanny.The glaring examples of which the hildabeast calling herself queen bee and sole determinate of our wealth is beyound arrogant, this is pure evil. For someone who claimes to be the smartest woman in this country, she sure lacks an understanding of our Constitution of which SHE SWORE to protect and defend. It will not be left undone either by the Patriots  or the &#8220;tea-party&#8221; movement.<br />
    The laws of this land are applicable to all, including those in the position of power, no one is above the law, not even the pretender-n-theif. The problem we face today is there seems to be no one in  the position of power to enforce the rule of law.  I believe a case could be made, and should be made that this current CONgress is guilty of sedition and treason. They seem to be bent upon the destruction of this Nation by means of hook and crook through the  Cloward-Piven strategy. This strategy is so obvious it makes a mockery of our laws. The only way for us out of this mess intentionally brought about by the Democrat party, Soro&#8217;s, et al is to issue warrents for their arrests and incarseration until they prove otherwise.<br />
   While the mid-term election is coming upon us, we must be remindful of the progressive&#8217;s theft of our treasury for strict political use against the citizens with our money&#8217;s.it&#8217;s being used to forment this change and hopey thing the pretender-n-theif speaks of, we must not forget his message to his minions of fundamentally changing this Nation.<br />
    He may have fooled 52% of the teet suckers of this nation but not all of  us will take this change of our founding principles, values and morals lying down like the good sheeples of that 52% who are responsible for bringing this evil to our shores. Some of us adults must say no to their theft. They must be held accountable and serve their prison terms without any resemblence of mercy towards their acts.</p>
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		<title>By: Norwegian Shooter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norwegian Shooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The West is disappearing into a New World Order, and against globalism, the Tea Party folks may represent our last best hope.&quot; Yes, they are your last best hope - you&#039;re screwed.

Barney - how about putting more than one sentence in a paragraph. The all caps aren&#039;t cool either. You&#039;re almost over the edge, man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The West is disappearing into a New World Order, and against globalism, the Tea Party folks may represent our last best hope.&#8221; Yes, they are your last best hope &#8211; you&#8217;re screwed.</p>
<p>Barney &#8211; how about putting more than one sentence in a paragraph. The all caps aren&#8217;t cool either. You&#8217;re almost over the edge, man.</p>
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		<title>By: Barney Rebble</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barney Rebble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some simple math:

Annual salary &quot;divided by&quot; 2,000 approximately equals salary per hour.

For example, if you make $2,000 per year, that is considered to be about $1 per hour.  If you have a salary of $100,000 per year, then (100k/2k=50) you make about $50 per hour.

(This ignores benefits and taxation).

So at the federal minimum wage:

http://www.dol.gov/whd/flsa/index.htm

It costs ($7.25 x 2,000) $14,500, plus approximately $3,000 to $7,000 (depending on taxes and benefits).  So, to hire a minimum-wage employee, ask what they can do for you that is worth about $20,000 minimum, per year.

If we assume about 330 million people are citizens of the US, then when the government spends 1 million dollars, each citizen spent about 1/3 of a penny.

When government spends a billion dollars, each citizen just spent about $3.

When government spends a Trillion dollars, each citizen just spent about $3,000.

Each Trillion of US Budget Deficit, costs your children or grandchildren $3,000.

For a realtime display, see:

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

The problem for government is to detach the average citizen, both from how much government expenditures cost the individual citizen, but also how much of the debt is being passed to our children and grandchildren.

The 2 main tricks are:

#1 - tax &quot;the rich&quot;, so that big companies collect taxes in the form of higher prices to the consumer, and &quot;citizens&quot; have the illusion of having paid lower taxes

#2 - &quot;hide where the money comes from&quot;, as in stealing from Social Security to finance &quot;pet projects&quot; that keep incumbents in office, or, where BOTH PARTIES hide the &quot;fine print&quot; in major spending bills that benefit political friends of those who write the laws

For TEA PARTIES to become effective, they MUST become willing to JAIL politicians who have used their political offices to STEAL.... RETROACTIVELY!!!

And I would advocate a LIFE SENTENCE to any who have used their position in an ETHICS COMMITTEE to shelter wrongdoers, on a National Level (as the DEATH PENALTY is probably not practical).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some simple math:</p>
<p>Annual salary &#8220;divided by&#8221; 2,000 approximately equals salary per hour.</p>
<p>For example, if you make $2,000 per year, that is considered to be about $1 per hour.  If you have a salary of $100,000 per year, then (100k/2k=50) you make about $50 per hour.</p>
<p>(This ignores benefits and taxation).</p>
<p>So at the federal minimum wage:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dol.gov/whd/flsa/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.dol.gov/whd/flsa/index.htm</a></p>
<p>It costs ($7.25 x 2,000) $14,500, plus approximately $3,000 to $7,000 (depending on taxes and benefits).  So, to hire a minimum-wage employee, ask what they can do for you that is worth about $20,000 minimum, per year.</p>
<p>If we assume about 330 million people are citizens of the US, then when the government spends 1 million dollars, each citizen spent about 1/3 of a penny.</p>
<p>When government spends a billion dollars, each citizen just spent about $3.</p>
<p>When government spends a Trillion dollars, each citizen just spent about $3,000.</p>
<p>Each Trillion of US Budget Deficit, costs your children or grandchildren $3,000.</p>
<p>For a realtime display, see:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.usdebtclock.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.usdebtclock.org/</a></p>
<p>The problem for government is to detach the average citizen, both from how much government expenditures cost the individual citizen, but also how much of the debt is being passed to our children and grandchildren.</p>
<p>The 2 main tricks are:</p>
<p>#1 &#8211; tax &#8220;the rich&#8221;, so that big companies collect taxes in the form of higher prices to the consumer, and &#8220;citizens&#8221; have the illusion of having paid lower taxes</p>
<p>#2 &#8211; &#8220;hide where the money comes from&#8221;, as in stealing from Social Security to finance &#8220;pet projects&#8221; that keep incumbents in office, or, where BOTH PARTIES hide the &#8220;fine print&#8221; in major spending bills that benefit political friends of those who write the laws</p>
<p>For TEA PARTIES to become effective, they MUST become willing to JAIL politicians who have used their political offices to STEAL&#8230;. RETROACTIVELY!!!</p>
<p>And I would advocate a LIFE SENTENCE to any who have used their position in an ETHICS COMMITTEE to shelter wrongdoers, on a National Level (as the DEATH PENALTY is probably not practical).</p>
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