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		<title>By: Barney Rebble</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2009/11/29/send-in-the-marines-then-what/comment-page-1/#comment-11815</link>
		<dc:creator>Barney Rebble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 16:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dislike leftist, hate-amerika-firsters, who work within the US to defeat us.

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I dislike ALL wars, and I think generally that much of what ANTIWAR.COM does prolongs these conflicts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dislike leftist, hate-amerika-firsters, who work within the US to defeat us.</p>
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<p>I dislike ALL wars, and I think generally that much of what ANTIWAR.COM does prolongs these conflicts.</p>
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		<title>By: Sinopean</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2009/11/29/send-in-the-marines-then-what/comment-page-1/#comment-11786</link>
		<dc:creator>Sinopean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see the planned Obama surge in Afghanistan as differing from the Bush surge in Iraq in one important respect: Iraq was unmistakably Bush&#039;s war from the start. The surge in Iraq was thus a desperate military and PR effort to reverse months of deteriorating political conditions in that country (and in the United States), and Bush had nothing to lose by committing himself unconditionally to the surge strategy that his military advisers crafted.

In contrast, Obama inherited the Afghanistan war. He is thus in a position similar to Richard Nixon&#039;s in 1969, not politically responsible for the mess left by his predecessor and not compelled to perpetuate the policies that led to that mess. But whereas Nixon&#039;s base included a great many constituents who firmly believed in the anti-Communist domino rationale for continuing the Vietnam war, Obama&#039;s base includes relatively few constituents who believe in the neoconservative nation-building rationale for continuing the war in Afghanistan. 

Nixon had to appease his anti-Communist supporters while angling to extricate the United States from Vietnam with a figleaf of honor. He didn&#039;t, however, have to worry that Democrats would accuse him of being too soft on Communism or of losing a war that a more-hawkish strategy would have won. Obama&#039;s situation is different. Republicans would surely argue that a precipitous U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan--followed by a complete reversion of Afghanistan to its post-Soviet, warlord-controlled condition, followed (perhaps) by a Taliban reconquest--amounted to the United States&#039; losing a winnable war. 

The Obama surge in Afghanistan looks to me like a calculated move to neutralize future criticism from foreign-policy hawks that adopting an aggressive strategy toward Afghanistan early in Obama&#039;s presidency could have prevented Afghanistan from sliding into chaos, Islamic fundamentalist control, or whatever ultimately occurs there. The point is to to be able to say &quot;We tried a surge, and it didn&#039;t work, so we had to admit that our continued presence in Afghanistan served no strategic purpose.&quot; This calculation weighs the political advantage of temporarily ramping up the war in Afghanistan against the cost in additional U.S. soldiers&#039; lives that will be lost as a result of the surge--and comes out four-square in favor of the political advantage. Since it doesn&#039;t hinge on any expectation that the surge will actually work, the calculation is utterly cynical; but anyone who has been paying attention to U.S. politics for the past few decades should have grown accustomed to that sort of thing by now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see the planned Obama surge in Afghanistan as differing from the Bush surge in Iraq in one important respect: Iraq was unmistakably Bush&#8217;s war from the start. The surge in Iraq was thus a desperate military and PR effort to reverse months of deteriorating political conditions in that country (and in the United States), and Bush had nothing to lose by committing himself unconditionally to the surge strategy that his military advisers crafted.</p>
<p>In contrast, Obama inherited the Afghanistan war. He is thus in a position similar to Richard Nixon&#8217;s in 1969, not politically responsible for the mess left by his predecessor and not compelled to perpetuate the policies that led to that mess. But whereas Nixon&#8217;s base included a great many constituents who firmly believed in the anti-Communist domino rationale for continuing the Vietnam war, Obama&#8217;s base includes relatively few constituents who believe in the neoconservative nation-building rationale for continuing the war in Afghanistan. </p>
<p>Nixon had to appease his anti-Communist supporters while angling to extricate the United States from Vietnam with a figleaf of honor. He didn&#8217;t, however, have to worry that Democrats would accuse him of being too soft on Communism or of losing a war that a more-hawkish strategy would have won. Obama&#8217;s situation is different. Republicans would surely argue that a precipitous U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan&#8211;followed by a complete reversion of Afghanistan to its post-Soviet, warlord-controlled condition, followed (perhaps) by a Taliban reconquest&#8211;amounted to the United States&#8217; losing a winnable war. </p>
<p>The Obama surge in Afghanistan looks to me like a calculated move to neutralize future criticism from foreign-policy hawks that adopting an aggressive strategy toward Afghanistan early in Obama&#8217;s presidency could have prevented Afghanistan from sliding into chaos, Islamic fundamentalist control, or whatever ultimately occurs there. The point is to to be able to say &#8220;We tried a surge, and it didn&#8217;t work, so we had to admit that our continued presence in Afghanistan served no strategic purpose.&#8221; This calculation weighs the political advantage of temporarily ramping up the war in Afghanistan against the cost in additional U.S. soldiers&#8217; lives that will be lost as a result of the surge&#8211;and comes out four-square in favor of the political advantage. Since it doesn&#8217;t hinge on any expectation that the surge will actually work, the calculation is utterly cynical; but anyone who has been paying attention to U.S. politics for the past few decades should have grown accustomed to that sort of thing by now.</p>
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		<title>By: Lysander</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2009/11/29/send-in-the-marines-then-what/comment-page-1/#comment-11731</link>
		<dc:creator>Lysander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A little discussed aspect of the Iraq surge was that it was accompanied by the final stages of ethnic cleansing of Sunnis from Baghdad by Shiite militias. With the population base gone, the insurgency ended.


That may be the plan for Afghanistan. Tajiks will expel Pashtuns from troubled areas. It may not works as well there since, Pashtuns are far more numerous relative to Tajiks than were Sunnis relative to Shiites in Iraq. But I think that is the plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little discussed aspect of the Iraq surge was that it was accompanied by the final stages of ethnic cleansing of Sunnis from Baghdad by Shiite militias. With the population base gone, the insurgency ended.</p>
<p>That may be the plan for Afghanistan. Tajiks will expel Pashtuns from troubled areas. It may not works as well there since, Pashtuns are far more numerous relative to Tajiks than were Sunnis relative to Shiites in Iraq. But I think that is the plan.</p>
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		<title>By: Kinnison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kinnison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 23:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Central Government&quot;?  Surely you jest.  The infamously-corrupt Afghan &quot;Central Government&quot; controls Kabul and Kandahar, mostly, and that&#039;s about it.  Afghanistan is more a geographical area than it is a nation, and with its mostly-rural, semi-literate, population scattered in mountain valleys and its fabled multi-generational ethnic, tribal and clan feuds that is unlikely to change anytime soon.  Why should any Afghans not on the take support the &quot;Central Government&quot; or risk their lives to enlist as government soldiers or police in defense of a chimera?  &quot;Nation-building&quot;, which we swore we would never get into anywhere again, is simply not going to work in Afghanistan.  It will never be a coherent, centrally-governed nation.  We need fewer troops there not more.  We did best when we had SOF and CIA troops wearing local garb, riding horses, playing Lawrence of Arabia and leading local mercenaries against the Taliban and Al Quaida.  We would do better to simply put prices on the heads of the bad guy leadership and let the locals bring them to us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Central Government&#8221;?  Surely you jest.  The infamously-corrupt Afghan &#8220;Central Government&#8221; controls Kabul and Kandahar, mostly, and that&#8217;s about it.  Afghanistan is more a geographical area than it is a nation, and with its mostly-rural, semi-literate, population scattered in mountain valleys and its fabled multi-generational ethnic, tribal and clan feuds that is unlikely to change anytime soon.  Why should any Afghans not on the take support the &#8220;Central Government&#8221; or risk their lives to enlist as government soldiers or police in defense of a chimera?  &#8220;Nation-building&#8221;, which we swore we would never get into anywhere again, is simply not going to work in Afghanistan.  It will never be a coherent, centrally-governed nation.  We need fewer troops there not more.  We did best when we had SOF and CIA troops wearing local garb, riding horses, playing Lawrence of Arabia and leading local mercenaries against the Taliban and Al Quaida.  We would do better to simply put prices on the heads of the bad guy leadership and let the locals bring them to us.</p>
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		<title>By: Afghanview</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2009/11/29/send-in-the-marines-then-what/comment-page-1/#comment-11721</link>
		<dc:creator>Afghanview</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 23:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why a Pashtuns should support a government dominated by their enemy Tajiks and their alliance? Is not that stupid and awkward?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why a Pashtuns should support a government dominated by their enemy Tajiks and their alliance? Is not that stupid and awkward?</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Harding</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2009/11/29/send-in-the-marines-then-what/comment-page-1/#comment-11715</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Harding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 15:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason for a lack of recruitment in the south is because of the lack of government is the south. It is only logical to expect recreuitment to be mostly from the stable areas. Also - histroically it has been the policy of governments in Kabul to deliberately send trrops of a different ethnic group to the ethnic group of the enemy. This is neccessary becuase co ethnics refuse to fight each other and will collude with each other instead of working for Kabul.  Currrently all the Pashtun parts of the ANA are sent to the north into non Pashtun areas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason for a lack of recruitment in the south is because of the lack of government is the south. It is only logical to expect recreuitment to be mostly from the stable areas. Also &#8211; histroically it has been the policy of governments in Kabul to deliberately send trrops of a different ethnic group to the ethnic group of the enemy. This is neccessary becuase co ethnics refuse to fight each other and will collude with each other instead of working for Kabul.  Currrently all the Pashtun parts of the ANA are sent to the north into non Pashtun areas.</p>
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