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	<title>Comments on: Putting &#8220;Defense&#8221; Back in &#8220;Defense Department&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Hope Everlasting</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2009/09/09/putting-defense-back-in-defense-department/comment-page-1/#comment-9554</link>
		<dc:creator>Hope Everlasting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot is wrong in America right now, including, in our churches.

Check out the revealing new book, &quot;Worship of Mass Dysfunction&quot;.

www.wmdthebook.com

Purpose driven isn&#039;t always better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot is wrong in America right now, including, in our churches.</p>
<p>Check out the revealing new book, &#8220;Worship of Mass Dysfunction&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wmdthebook.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.wmdthebook.com</a></p>
<p>Purpose driven isn&#8217;t always better.</p>
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		<title>By: Barney Rebble</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barney Rebble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Lind said,
&quot;In effect, America says to the rest of the world, “You are going to abandon your traditional culture and embrace our new, “liberated” culture – Feminism, consumerism, hedonism, all labeled “democracy” – whether you want to or not. If we cannot make you do so with ‘soft power,’ then you will face our ‘hard power,’ our bombs, cruise missiles and Predators.” From the jungles of the Amazon to the Hindu Kush, everyone is to become a subject of Brave New World.&quot;

No.  NOT &quot;America says to the rest of the world&quot;.  This is what our ENEMIES (and the radical LEFT when a republican is in charge), say about America, when our lapses and execeptions and individual criminal actions, give them fodder to attack us with.

This will be a constant drumbeat of the american dis-satisfied, and the propaganda arms of our enemies.

But as you rightly point out, our job is to reduce the &quot;fodder&quot; we provide the enemies (within and without), while engaged in foreign military operations, and, to get out of such (foreign military adventures) whenever and wherever possible.

Interesting.  We good &quot;Green Berets&quot; in the 60&#039;s sat and took classes on how to build insurgency (terrorists), by teaching them better IEDs and better propaganda methods, in places like Afghanistan and SouthEast Asia, and now nobody can figure out what we should be cleaning up, and why.  Something important has been lost (for the sake of political partisanship advantage).

I have an idea.  Let&#039;s rename it 4GW, and discuss stategy for warfare, instead of discussing what messes we made, and what it will take to clean them up (and when reaching goals, declaring our responsibility at end and withdrawing).

But somebody&#039;s probably already thought of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Lind said,<br />
&#8220;In effect, America says to the rest of the world, “You are going to abandon your traditional culture and embrace our new, “liberated” culture – Feminism, consumerism, hedonism, all labeled “democracy” – whether you want to or not. If we cannot make you do so with ‘soft power,’ then you will face our ‘hard power,’ our bombs, cruise missiles and Predators.” From the jungles of the Amazon to the Hindu Kush, everyone is to become a subject of Brave New World.&#8221;</p>
<p>No.  NOT &#8220;America says to the rest of the world&#8221;.  This is what our ENEMIES (and the radical LEFT when a republican is in charge), say about America, when our lapses and execeptions and individual criminal actions, give them fodder to attack us with.</p>
<p>This will be a constant drumbeat of the american dis-satisfied, and the propaganda arms of our enemies.</p>
<p>But as you rightly point out, our job is to reduce the &#8220;fodder&#8221; we provide the enemies (within and without), while engaged in foreign military operations, and, to get out of such (foreign military adventures) whenever and wherever possible.</p>
<p>Interesting.  We good &#8220;Green Berets&#8221; in the 60&#8242;s sat and took classes on how to build insurgency (terrorists), by teaching them better IEDs and better propaganda methods, in places like Afghanistan and SouthEast Asia, and now nobody can figure out what we should be cleaning up, and why.  Something important has been lost (for the sake of political partisanship advantage).</p>
<p>I have an idea.  Let&#8217;s rename it 4GW, and discuss stategy for warfare, instead of discussing what messes we made, and what it will take to clean them up (and when reaching goals, declaring our responsibility at end and withdrawing).</p>
<p>But somebody&#8217;s probably already thought of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Pearlman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Pearlman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if it has escaped the notice of all you people but the military is not supposed to make policy. It is supposed to carry it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if it has escaped the notice of all you people but the military is not supposed to make policy. It is supposed to carry it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Hogan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Hogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the world indeed awaits an answer.  But don&#039;t hold your breath thinking something meaningful will transpire.  You can bet the farm that we&#039;ll get more of the same.  

In the eyes of those with power to invade, bomb, occupy and kill, the next step always involves doing the same thing, only harder.  

Our &quot;leaders&quot; are idiots.  Given enough slack, they&#039;ll either kill us, bankrupt us, or both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the world indeed awaits an answer.  But don&#8217;t hold your breath thinking something meaningful will transpire.  You can bet the farm that we&#8217;ll get more of the same.  </p>
<p>In the eyes of those with power to invade, bomb, occupy and kill, the next step always involves doing the same thing, only harder.  </p>
<p>Our &#8220;leaders&#8221; are idiots.  Given enough slack, they&#8217;ll either kill us, bankrupt us, or both.</p>
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		<title>By: TomB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TomB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>William Lind wrote:

A.) &quot;We need to be in the village instead of attacking the village.&quot;

B.) &quot;What it means is that America should adopt a defensive rather than an offensive grand strategy. At present, American grand strategy is offensive, or even aggressive. In effect, America says to the rest of the world, &#039;You are going to abandon your traditional culture and embrace our [] culture....&#039;&quot;

C.) &quot;The policy we need instead, one that communicates a very different message, is a defensive grand strategy. The message a defensive grand strategy sends is simple: If you leave us alone, we will leave you alone.&quot;

And how exactly do you persuade people that you are &quot;leaving them alone&quot; while simultaneously occupying their country and living in their villages?

Not saying it&#039;s impossible, but.... 

Besides that it seems to me that matters of &quot;grand strategy&quot; concern what we want, not how we get what we want. Whether we are living in the villages or not, or even living in/occupying the country at all is just tactics. *Why* we are even considering such &quot;how&quot; questions is what implicates grand strategy; such as trying to reduce or eliminate terrorism against us, trying to blunt moslem extremism generally, or even just trying to &quot;nation build.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William Lind wrote:</p>
<p>A.) &#8220;We need to be in the village instead of attacking the village.&#8221;</p>
<p>B.) &#8220;What it means is that America should adopt a defensive rather than an offensive grand strategy. At present, American grand strategy is offensive, or even aggressive. In effect, America says to the rest of the world, &#8216;You are going to abandon your traditional culture and embrace our [] culture&#8230;.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>C.) &#8220;The policy we need instead, one that communicates a very different message, is a defensive grand strategy. The message a defensive grand strategy sends is simple: If you leave us alone, we will leave you alone.&#8221;</p>
<p>And how exactly do you persuade people that you are &#8220;leaving them alone&#8221; while simultaneously occupying their country and living in their villages?</p>
<p>Not saying it&#8217;s impossible, but&#8230;. </p>
<p>Besides that it seems to me that matters of &#8220;grand strategy&#8221; concern what we want, not how we get what we want. Whether we are living in the villages or not, or even living in/occupying the country at all is just tactics. *Why* we are even considering such &#8220;how&#8221; questions is what implicates grand strategy; such as trying to reduce or eliminate terrorism against us, trying to blunt moslem extremism generally, or even just trying to &#8220;nation build.&#8221;</p>
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