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		<title>By: DrTim AdamsThD</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2009/07/29/conservative-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-11665</link>
		<dc:creator>DrTim AdamsThD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thee MAJORITY of DEMOCRATS are CONSERVATIVES and MODERATES!</description>
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		<title>By: Jeremiah Whitmoore</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2009/07/29/conservative-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-8387</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremiah Whitmoore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 15:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry McDonald was a democrat and he would put the Republicans to shame if he were still around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry McDonald was a democrat and he would put the Republicans to shame if he were still around.</p>
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		<title>By: Barney Rebble</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2009/07/29/conservative-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-8354</link>
		<dc:creator>Barney Rebble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 16:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When we get the health care system in place, massive counseling and re-education of seniors will assist them in being happy with the government&#039;s end-of-life plan, the loss of medicare, which basically says you should &quot;just take a pill&quot; instead of have that expensive operation.

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When we get the Cap and Trade to regulate production and use of energy, we will also need some behavior modification to help the &quot;bluedogs&quot; and &quot;conservatives&quot; (and other undesireables), recognize the wisdom of our leader, and to be happy with HIS decisions:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-3247

&quot;Text of H.R. 3247: To establish a social and behavioral sciences research program at the Department of Energy, and...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When we get the health care system in place, massive counseling and re-education of seniors will assist them in being happy with the government&#8217;s end-of-life plan, the loss of medicare, which basically says you should &#8220;just take a pill&#8221; instead of have that expensive operation.</p>
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<p>When we get the Cap and Trade to regulate production and use of energy, we will also need some behavior modification to help the &#8220;bluedogs&#8221; and &#8220;conservatives&#8221; (and other undesireables), recognize the wisdom of our leader, and to be happy with HIS decisions:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-3247" rel="nofollow">http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-3247</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Text of H.R. 3247: To establish a social and behavioral sciences research program at the Department of Energy, and&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Scallon</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2009/07/29/conservative-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-8350</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Scallon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Red,  Ron Paul is offering a bill (HR 1345 I do believe, I can&#039;t be certain) that puts down in legislation some of the ideas he offered on health care during the campaign last year. And their are proposals than can be offered such as changing the tax code, allowing persons to by insurance across state lines, allowing for more health savings accounts, allowing states more freedom to design health care plans of their own, etc.,and even allowing persons access to the Congressional health care service that are ideas consistent with the freedom agenda which would help to lower costs by allowing for more competition in the health care market and giving persons the freedom to buy lower cost insurance which most do not have right now. 

The GOP isn&#039;t even supporting these. They&#039;re supporting nothing, other than to oppose for political reasons. Ultimately I think this is a self-defeating strategy because it presumes that Republicans believe that everything is just hunky dory in the U.S. when it comes to health care which no one believes it and it also presumes Republicans feel hospital emergency rooms are the catch all universal health coverage for those who can&#039;t afford insurance (which has gone a long way to raise costs). 

Right-wing Democrats are a part of the game when it comes to health care and GOP is sitting on the sidelines. Whoever did anything when they didn&#039;t play?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Red,  Ron Paul is offering a bill (HR 1345 I do believe, I can&#8217;t be certain) that puts down in legislation some of the ideas he offered on health care during the campaign last year. And their are proposals than can be offered such as changing the tax code, allowing persons to by insurance across state lines, allowing for more health savings accounts, allowing states more freedom to design health care plans of their own, etc.,and even allowing persons access to the Congressional health care service that are ideas consistent with the freedom agenda which would help to lower costs by allowing for more competition in the health care market and giving persons the freedom to buy lower cost insurance which most do not have right now. </p>
<p>The GOP isn&#8217;t even supporting these. They&#8217;re supporting nothing, other than to oppose for political reasons. Ultimately I think this is a self-defeating strategy because it presumes that Republicans believe that everything is just hunky dory in the U.S. when it comes to health care which no one believes it and it also presumes Republicans feel hospital emergency rooms are the catch all universal health coverage for those who can&#8217;t afford insurance (which has gone a long way to raise costs). </p>
<p>Right-wing Democrats are a part of the game when it comes to health care and GOP is sitting on the sidelines. Whoever did anything when they didn&#8217;t play?</p>
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		<title>By: Winston</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2009/07/29/conservative-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-8349</link>
		<dc:creator>Winston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do &quot;progressives&quot; (whatever that means) overreach?  Of course they do.  Do conservatives have much to add to the discussion about how our society can be bettered?  Of course they do. But if you really believe America would have been better off without Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, civil rights legistlation, environmental-protection laws, child-labor laws, federally-funded research, public fire departments (instead of the private enterprises they once were) and all the other programs and policies that have helped to make us one of the most advanced and humane societies on earth, there&#039;s very little I can say that will change your mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do &#8220;progressives&#8221; (whatever that means) overreach?  Of course they do.  Do conservatives have much to add to the discussion about how our society can be bettered?  Of course they do. But if you really believe America would have been better off without Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, civil rights legistlation, environmental-protection laws, child-labor laws, federally-funded research, public fire departments (instead of the private enterprises they once were) and all the other programs and policies that have helped to make us one of the most advanced and humane societies on earth, there&#8217;s very little I can say that will change your mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Tracey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Tracey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Winston,
How exactly does your citation from the McKinsey report provide evidence that the difference in lifespan between the US and nations with socialized medicine is not caused by lifestyle-- including diet, stress, and exercise?

Also, the &quot;market&quot; is not a magical force; it is a word used to describe human choices about what to consume and what to produce.  I&#039;ll refer you to mises.org.  On that site, you will find a PhD worth of information about how human choices, undistorted by well-intentioned central planners, lead to best possible outcomes for the herd and the individual.

I love you progressives.  You all have such good intentions, and I find charming your faith that putting the right smart persons in charge of the right federal program will lead to a more perfect world...  kind of like Star Trek.

Keep up the good fight, brother Winston... all the way to the Supreme Court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Winston,<br />
How exactly does your citation from the McKinsey report provide evidence that the difference in lifespan between the US and nations with socialized medicine is not caused by lifestyle&#8211; including diet, stress, and exercise?</p>
<p>Also, the &#8220;market&#8221; is not a magical force; it is a word used to describe human choices about what to consume and what to produce.  I&#8217;ll refer you to mises.org.  On that site, you will find a PhD worth of information about how human choices, undistorted by well-intentioned central planners, lead to best possible outcomes for the herd and the individual.</p>
<p>I love you progressives.  You all have such good intentions, and I find charming your faith that putting the right smart persons in charge of the right federal program will lead to a more perfect world&#8230;  kind of like Star Trek.</p>
<p>Keep up the good fight, brother Winston&#8230; all the way to the Supreme Court.</p>
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		<title>By: Winston</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2009/07/29/conservative-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-8344</link>
		<dc:creator>Winston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Red, here&#039;s what really fries me about people who say what you say - for instance, that differences in the health and longevity are due to our unhealthy lifestyles, and not to the medical system:  You are simply and totally wrong on the facts, and seem to be unwilling to engage on this critical issue in a fact-based way.  For example, the very study to which I directed you, by McKinsey (not a leftwing organization, the last time I checked) included the following paragraph:

&quot;Contrary to popular belief, Americans are not sicker than the populations of other OECD countries. In most major categories, the prevalence of disease in the United States is significantly below that of other industrialized nations. (Diabetes is the only notable exception.) Because we smoke much less than our peer nations, the incidence of smoking-related diseases is far lower.&quot;

Red, please, argue over the best system, and about constitutionality, but do so from a base of intellectual honesty.  There are many readily available studies that totally undermine the point you have made.

As for the doctrine of enumerated powers, it is not Red or Winston who defines its applicability, but the Supreme Court.  Perhaps one day they will again see it the way you do, but since the 1930&#039;s they have not.  In any case, you are quite right to imply that I believe an America under the doctrine you prefer would be a far worse place than it is today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Red, here&#8217;s what really fries me about people who say what you say &#8211; for instance, that differences in the health and longevity are due to our unhealthy lifestyles, and not to the medical system:  You are simply and totally wrong on the facts, and seem to be unwilling to engage on this critical issue in a fact-based way.  For example, the very study to which I directed you, by McKinsey (not a leftwing organization, the last time I checked) included the following paragraph:</p>
<p>&#8220;Contrary to popular belief, Americans are not sicker than the populations of other OECD countries. In most major categories, the prevalence of disease in the United States is significantly below that of other industrialized nations. (Diabetes is the only notable exception.) Because we smoke much less than our peer nations, the incidence of smoking-related diseases is far lower.&#8221;</p>
<p>Red, please, argue over the best system, and about constitutionality, but do so from a base of intellectual honesty.  There are many readily available studies that totally undermine the point you have made.</p>
<p>As for the doctrine of enumerated powers, it is not Red or Winston who defines its applicability, but the Supreme Court.  Perhaps one day they will again see it the way you do, but since the 1930&#8242;s they have not.  In any case, you are quite right to imply that I believe an America under the doctrine you prefer would be a far worse place than it is today.</p>
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		<title>By: Red Phillips</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2009/07/29/conservative-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-8340</link>
		<dc:creator>Red Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 11:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Red, I guess you think Medicare is a violation of the Constitution.&quot;

Of course it is. Absolutely unequivocally.

&quot;Absence of specific authorization does not mean that such activities are not permissible.&quot;

Ah, yes it does. It is called the doctrine of enumerated powers. It is what the majority of the Founder&#039;s intended and what the States thought they were getting when they ratified the Constitution. It is a key doctrine of originalism and is what is generally meant when someone describes themselves as a constitutionalist. You may not agree with it, but it is not a novel idea so you should be familiar with it.

Length of life issues in America are not a medical system issue. We pour way more into end of life care than do other countries. It is a health, lifestyle, diet, etc. issue. The medical system can not be faulted that Americans eat unhealthy and don&#039;t exercise, just like the medical systems in Europe can&#039;t be faulted that more of their people smoke.

I have had some significant interaction with the health system of an advanced Western nation courtesy of the USAF and while the care there was good and competent, it was minimalistic by US standards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Red, I guess you think Medicare is a violation of the Constitution.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course it is. Absolutely unequivocally.</p>
<p>&#8220;Absence of specific authorization does not mean that such activities are not permissible.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ah, yes it does. It is called the doctrine of enumerated powers. It is what the majority of the Founder&#8217;s intended and what the States thought they were getting when they ratified the Constitution. It is a key doctrine of originalism and is what is generally meant when someone describes themselves as a constitutionalist. You may not agree with it, but it is not a novel idea so you should be familiar with it.</p>
<p>Length of life issues in America are not a medical system issue. We pour way more into end of life care than do other countries. It is a health, lifestyle, diet, etc. issue. The medical system can not be faulted that Americans eat unhealthy and don&#8217;t exercise, just like the medical systems in Europe can&#8217;t be faulted that more of their people smoke.</p>
<p>I have had some significant interaction with the health system of an advanced Western nation courtesy of the USAF and while the care there was good and competent, it was minimalistic by US standards.</p>
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		<title>By: Winston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Winston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 03:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Red, I guess you think Medicare is a violation of the Constitution.  Brilliant.  Many government activities are not &quot;authorized by the Constitution;&quot; absence of specific authorization does not mean that such activities are not permissible.  Such activities as the space program and the US mails aren&#039;t specifically authorized either.  By the way, you are quite wrong that, demographics aside, much of the difference between our and other Western nations &quot;goes away.&quot;  The gap narrows, of course, but in many instances is quite significant even if only whites are counted in the data for America.  And of course the cost differences are enormous.  Rather than extend this post, I suggest this article on McKinsey&#039;s analysis of the health care issue:  http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/galston/archive/2009/07/23/what-mckinsey-could-teach-obama.aspx
There are also many other overviews of our system vs. other countries&#039; available on line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Red, I guess you think Medicare is a violation of the Constitution.  Brilliant.  Many government activities are not &#8220;authorized by the Constitution;&#8221; absence of specific authorization does not mean that such activities are not permissible.  Such activities as the space program and the US mails aren&#8217;t specifically authorized either.  By the way, you are quite wrong that, demographics aside, much of the difference between our and other Western nations &#8220;goes away.&#8221;  The gap narrows, of course, but in many instances is quite significant even if only whites are counted in the data for America.  And of course the cost differences are enormous.  Rather than extend this post, I suggest this article on McKinsey&#8217;s analysis of the health care issue:  <a href="http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/galston/archive/2009/07/23/what-mckinsey-could-teach-obama.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/galston/archive/2009/07/23/what-mckinsey-could-teach-obama.aspx</a><br />
There are also many other overviews of our system vs. other countries&#8217; available on line.</p>
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		<title>By: Red Phillips</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2009/07/29/conservative-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-8321</link>
		<dc:creator>Red Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 18:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops. &quot;Site&quot; above should be &quot;cite.&quot;</description>
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		<title>By: Barney Rebble</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2009/07/29/conservative-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-8317</link>
		<dc:creator>Barney Rebble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As usual, I disagree with some of your premises, and conclusions.

But on the whole, an excellent and well-thought out post.  Your points are definitely worth considering.

To say that your opposition, the GOP, has NOTHING worth considering is perhaps an oversimplification.

To miss that what is wrong with the medical delivery process in our country is due to crook politicians of BOTH PARTIES, is unfortunate, in that now you can&#039;t account for what may seem to you an irrational reluctance on the part of the public to hand massive money to the folks who have created the problem in the first place.

But this was a nicely-done analysis, I am the better for having read it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual, I disagree with some of your premises, and conclusions.</p>
<p>But on the whole, an excellent and well-thought out post.  Your points are definitely worth considering.</p>
<p>To say that your opposition, the GOP, has NOTHING worth considering is perhaps an oversimplification.</p>
<p>To miss that what is wrong with the medical delivery process in our country is due to crook politicians of BOTH PARTIES, is unfortunate, in that now you can&#8217;t account for what may seem to you an irrational reluctance on the part of the public to hand massive money to the folks who have created the problem in the first place.</p>
<p>But this was a nicely-done analysis, I am the better for having read it.</p>
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		<title>By: Red Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Winston, first of all any comparison between the &quot;different health and lifespan outcomes&quot; in the US vs. other advanced nations has to control for demographics. Once that is done much of the difference goes away. But Americans do have unusually unhealthy lifestyles which is arguably at least partially a result of our relative affluence. Unhealthy lifestyles are not the fault of the medical system.

I didn&#039;t say that our healthcare system was perfect, nor did I site the magic of the marketplace, although there is certainly something to be said for it. The Constitution does not grant to the Feds ANY role in healthcare whatsoever. The only thing the Republicans could do that is constitutional is start dismantling government programs that are already in place, tinker with tax policy, and tinker with patent policy for new drugs. Nothing else that I can think of. Before you present to me some list of things the Feds ought to do, please site the Article and section of the Constitution that authorizes it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Winston, first of all any comparison between the &#8220;different health and lifespan outcomes&#8221; in the US vs. other advanced nations has to control for demographics. Once that is done much of the difference goes away. But Americans do have unusually unhealthy lifestyles which is arguably at least partially a result of our relative affluence. Unhealthy lifestyles are not the fault of the medical system.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t say that our healthcare system was perfect, nor did I site the magic of the marketplace, although there is certainly something to be said for it. The Constitution does not grant to the Feds ANY role in healthcare whatsoever. The only thing the Republicans could do that is constitutional is start dismantling government programs that are already in place, tinker with tax policy, and tinker with patent policy for new drugs. Nothing else that I can think of. Before you present to me some list of things the Feds ought to do, please site the Article and section of the Constitution that authorizes it.</p>
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		<title>By: Washington Planner &#187; Thursday Required Reading, 7/30/09</title>
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		<dc:creator>Washington Planner &#187; Thursday Required Reading, 7/30/09</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] What is a &#8220;blue dog,&#8221; really? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Winston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Winston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 12:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Red, yes, we have the best of all possible health care systems, right?  Neanderthal is the right word, because Republicans would FAR rather have the additional deaths (compared to other western countries) that we have as a result of our system than give up their own cherished beliefs about the universal applicability and high morality of the market, even for life and death issues.  Plus, of course, continued access to corporate and other interest-group funding for their reelection in perpetuity.  Do some research about the different health and lifespan outcomes and costs in, say, France, compared to us before instructing Sean on his adjectives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Red, yes, we have the best of all possible health care systems, right?  Neanderthal is the right word, because Republicans would FAR rather have the additional deaths (compared to other western countries) that we have as a result of our system than give up their own cherished beliefs about the universal applicability and high morality of the market, even for life and death issues.  Plus, of course, continued access to corporate and other interest-group funding for their reelection in perpetuity.  Do some research about the different health and lifespan outcomes and costs in, say, France, compared to us before instructing Sean on his adjectives.</p>
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		<title>By: kent</title>
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		<dc:creator>kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 12:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about Jim Webb?</description>
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