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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2009/06/18/the-tiananmen-moment/comment-page-1/#comment-7340</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You say that the rulers of Iran have reached the moment where they decide to send in the tanks. It could be that the tanks are no longer theirs to send in.  The order can be issued but it does not necessarily follow that it will be actioned.

If that is the case, Obama, with his &#039;two of the same&#039; speech has already alienated the possible future leaders of Iran. Even if it doesn&#039;t happen the speech will not have got him anywhere with tehe xisting administration. This was a classic case of &#039;when in doubt say nothing&#039;. Obama couldn&#039;t resist saying something.

Way to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say that the rulers of Iran have reached the moment where they decide to send in the tanks. It could be that the tanks are no longer theirs to send in.  The order can be issued but it does not necessarily follow that it will be actioned.</p>
<p>If that is the case, Obama, with his &#8216;two of the same&#8217; speech has already alienated the possible future leaders of Iran. Even if it doesn&#8217;t happen the speech will not have got him anywhere with tehe xisting administration. This was a classic case of &#8216;when in doubt say nothing&#8217;. Obama couldn&#8217;t resist saying something.</p>
<p>Way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: WesTexas</title>
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		<dc:creator>WesTexas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also attributed to Napoleon....&quot;Never interupt your enemy when he&#039;s making a mistake&quot;

Obama is right to not give them a convienient interuption</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also attributed to Napoleon&#8230;.&#8221;Never interupt your enemy when he&#8217;s making a mistake&#8221;</p>
<p>Obama is right to not give them a convienient interuption</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Scallon</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2009/06/18/the-tiananmen-moment/comment-page-1/#comment-7333</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Scallon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 21:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been critical of some of Pat&#039;s recent columns, so when he&#039;s spot on like he is in this one, one must offer effusive praise. Ultimately how a regime reacts to domestic opposition defines itself to people and the rest of the world. The regime certainly hopes that whatever blood is shed the protests will be long forgetten like those in China 20 years later. However, it should be pointed out that Iran is not China. The Islamic Revolution was build upon the foundation of those who protested an autocratic regime. To engage in similar tactics 30 years later certainly destroys the legitimacy of the Revolution. The Chi-Coms, by contrast, have always acted to exterminate their internal opponents. What they did in 1989 was not out of their character.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been critical of some of Pat&#8217;s recent columns, so when he&#8217;s spot on like he is in this one, one must offer effusive praise. Ultimately how a regime reacts to domestic opposition defines itself to people and the rest of the world. The regime certainly hopes that whatever blood is shed the protests will be long forgetten like those in China 20 years later. However, it should be pointed out that Iran is not China. The Islamic Revolution was build upon the foundation of those who protested an autocratic regime. To engage in similar tactics 30 years later certainly destroys the legitimacy of the Revolution. The Chi-Coms, by contrast, have always acted to exterminate their internal opponents. What they did in 1989 was not out of their character.</p>
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		<title>By: Fran Rossi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fran Rossi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Americans.  Sorry about that.  (!!!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Americans.  Sorry about that.  (!!!)</p>
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		<title>By: Fran Rossi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fran Rossi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wholeheartedly agree (who&#039;dah thunk it?).  For this one, American&#039;s should peacefully watch from the sidelines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wholeheartedly agree (who&#8217;dah thunk it?).  For this one, American&#8217;s should peacefully watch from the sidelines.</p>
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		<title>By: Septimus Waugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Septimus Waugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ojalá que sea mejor en el porvenir, pero tengo miedo que quizás sea peor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ojalá que sea mejor en el porvenir, pero tengo miedo que quizás sea peor</p>
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		<title>By: Barney Rebble</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2009/06/18/the-tiananmen-moment/comment-page-1/#comment-7313</link>
		<dc:creator>Barney Rebble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And some among us have mourned the poverty of our intelligence-gathering sensory organs.  The american mass media has so become self-satisfied with it&#039;s dominance, and lazy (cheap?), that the random technology of the smart telephone is collecting more and better information than the media, or the country&#039;s intelligence service.

And as the American public becomes accustomed to this new information input, we begin to learn the inadequacy of what the left calls jingoism, what the right calls bumpersticker sloganeering.

This is a continuation of the old, &quot;I know how you feel&quot; argument.  Guy on the right says, &quot;I know how you feel&quot;.  Guy on the left says, &quot;You can&#039;t know how I feel, without being me!&quot;  (And by extension, the Left would argue, &quot;we&quot; can&#039;t know how &quot;they&quot; feel...)

The same dilemma faces human communication.  When I say, &quot;I know what you intended to tell me&quot;, we can then argue over the intention of the speaker, the hearer, and the inadequacy of each word, sound, or gesture.

Those who yesterday were screaming anti-war slogans at the US, now might wonder at our caution, in word or deed, facing this dangerous situation that the Iranian dissidents face.

This young president is growing up fast, like John F Kennedy did, during the missile crisis and the bay of pigs.  He is learning international language of the diplomat.  A communication mis-step literally could cost the death of thousands of Iranians.

JFK said &quot;we&#039;re going to find a way to the moon&quot;.  Obama will be happy if he can find a way to close Gitmo.

Johnson said &quot;we&#039;re going to feed all poor people, and lift them out of poverty&quot;.  Obama will be happy if he can figure out how to send everyone to the doctor.

Reagan and Bush said, &quot;we&#039;re going to find a way for american business to prosper&quot;.  Obama will be happy if there is a way to see that the prosperity is more evenly distributed (at least we *hope* that&#039;s what he is doing).

But the corrupt MainStreamMedia, has yet to figure out how to plug into the worldwide population that is itself plugged into the new mass-consciousness that started as the internet, and is evolving into the multi-technology social networking of the next generations.  But blogs like this (TAC/BLOG), represent a &quot;deep-think&quot; portion of the increasing chatter of social networking, like we hear out of Iran.

And we will wonder, from a distance, what pain might be in store for them, ...and for us.  ...And our &quot;chatter&quot; may even help form a reply to their cries for help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And some among us have mourned the poverty of our intelligence-gathering sensory organs.  The american mass media has so become self-satisfied with it&#8217;s dominance, and lazy (cheap?), that the random technology of the smart telephone is collecting more and better information than the media, or the country&#8217;s intelligence service.</p>
<p>And as the American public becomes accustomed to this new information input, we begin to learn the inadequacy of what the left calls jingoism, what the right calls bumpersticker sloganeering.</p>
<p>This is a continuation of the old, &#8220;I know how you feel&#8221; argument.  Guy on the right says, &#8220;I know how you feel&#8221;.  Guy on the left says, &#8220;You can&#8217;t know how I feel, without being me!&#8221;  (And by extension, the Left would argue, &#8220;we&#8221; can&#8217;t know how &#8220;they&#8221; feel&#8230;)</p>
<p>The same dilemma faces human communication.  When I say, &#8220;I know what you intended to tell me&#8221;, we can then argue over the intention of the speaker, the hearer, and the inadequacy of each word, sound, or gesture.</p>
<p>Those who yesterday were screaming anti-war slogans at the US, now might wonder at our caution, in word or deed, facing this dangerous situation that the Iranian dissidents face.</p>
<p>This young president is growing up fast, like John F Kennedy did, during the missile crisis and the bay of pigs.  He is learning international language of the diplomat.  A communication mis-step literally could cost the death of thousands of Iranians.</p>
<p>JFK said &#8220;we&#8217;re going to find a way to the moon&#8221;.  Obama will be happy if he can find a way to close Gitmo.</p>
<p>Johnson said &#8220;we&#8217;re going to feed all poor people, and lift them out of poverty&#8221;.  Obama will be happy if he can figure out how to send everyone to the doctor.</p>
<p>Reagan and Bush said, &#8220;we&#8217;re going to find a way for american business to prosper&#8221;.  Obama will be happy if there is a way to see that the prosperity is more evenly distributed (at least we *hope* that&#8217;s what he is doing).</p>
<p>But the corrupt MainStreamMedia, has yet to figure out how to plug into the worldwide population that is itself plugged into the new mass-consciousness that started as the internet, and is evolving into the multi-technology social networking of the next generations.  But blogs like this (TAC/BLOG), represent a &#8220;deep-think&#8221; portion of the increasing chatter of social networking, like we hear out of Iran.</p>
<p>And we will wonder, from a distance, what pain might be in store for them, &#8230;and for us.  &#8230;And our &#8220;chatter&#8221; may even help form a reply to their cries for help.</p>
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		<title>By: Septimus Waugh</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2009/06/18/the-tiananmen-moment/comment-page-1/#comment-7309</link>
		<dc:creator>Septimus Waugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 07:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thankyou for your sad and wise blog. Reading it made me wonder if there was any hope that Iran is not about to get something worse- chaotic revolution or bloody repression. There is always the example of the velvet revolution in Czechoslovakia to provide comfort, and the Iranians seem to share the Czech traits of being cultured, educated and involved with the rest of the world. So maybe there is hope that the religious tyranny in Iran will blink, and that a democratic revolution will not produce chaos.
  Obama has not interfered in the Iranian situation, or am I missing something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thankyou for your sad and wise blog. Reading it made me wonder if there was any hope that Iran is not about to get something worse- chaotic revolution or bloody repression. There is always the example of the velvet revolution in Czechoslovakia to provide comfort, and the Iranians seem to share the Czech traits of being cultured, educated and involved with the rest of the world. So maybe there is hope that the religious tyranny in Iran will blink, and that a democratic revolution will not produce chaos.<br />
  Obama has not interfered in the Iranian situation, or am I missing something?</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 04:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go Pat Go!!  When you&#039;re spot on you are spot on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go Pat Go!!  When you&#8217;re spot on you are spot on!</p>
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