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	<title>Comments on: Bibi&#8217;s Dead End</title>
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		<title>By: DirtyHarriet</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2009/05/18/bibis-dead-end/comment-page-1/#comment-6562</link>
		<dc:creator>DirtyHarriet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 01:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Desmond Tutu likened Israel&#039;s treatment of the Palestinians to apartheid 7 years ago . http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/apr/29/comment

 Apartheid is not the future, apartheid is now. 

Us American taxpayers can look in the mirror if we want to know exactly who has been (unwittingly) aiding and abetting this apartheid -despite no one ever having asked our permission (thanks to the hold the Israeli lobby has on Congress and elsewhere in government).

America needs another Independence - Independence from Israel. 

Free America  - and the rest will follow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Desmond Tutu likened Israel&#8217;s treatment of the Palestinians to apartheid 7 years ago . <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/apr/29/comment" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/apr/29/comment</a></p>
<p> Apartheid is not the future, apartheid is now. </p>
<p>Us American taxpayers can look in the mirror if we want to know exactly who has been (unwittingly) aiding and abetting this apartheid -despite no one ever having asked our permission (thanks to the hold the Israeli lobby has on Congress and elsewhere in government).</p>
<p>America needs another Independence &#8211; Independence from Israel. </p>
<p>Free America  &#8211; and the rest will follow.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2009/05/18/bibis-dead-end/comment-page-1/#comment-6529</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 20:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time writer Tony Karon, a South African jew himself, says that Israel is already an apartheid state, it is but for the world to notice.  http://www.thenational.ae/article/20090322/OPINION/714980252/1001</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time writer Tony Karon, a South African jew himself, says that Israel is already an apartheid state, it is but for the world to notice.  <a href="http://www.thenational.ae/article/20090322/OPINION/714980252/1001" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenational.ae/article/20090322/OPINION/714980252/1001</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Tuchler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Tuchler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 19:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bibi and the Israeli majority can wait until the settlements eat up a good part of the West Bank leaving the dregs for the Palestinian Arabs.  So, we are left with the South African solution:  bantustans for the muslim Arabs and the country for the Jews.

How will Europe and the USA handle that.  Rely on AIPAC to cheer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bibi and the Israeli majority can wait until the settlements eat up a good part of the West Bank leaving the dregs for the Palestinian Arabs.  So, we are left with the South African solution:  bantustans for the muslim Arabs and the country for the Jews.</p>
<p>How will Europe and the USA handle that.  Rely on AIPAC to cheer.</p>
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		<title>By: TomB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TomB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 18:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does Buchanan know that what he calls &quot;Bibi&#039;s Dead End&quot; isn&#039;t looked upon by Bibi and indeed Israel as a perfectly fine thing to live with for however long, especially so long as the U.S. continues to fund it? 

In fact isn&#039;t all the evidence that Israel has a much longer view than we do and is perfectly willing to live with no matter how much of the obloquy of the world it incurs for however long in exchange for keeping what it thinks the Bible promised it? Indeed, that at least some segment of Israeli society actually likes that obloquy because that justifies the belief that alone amongst people they are special because everyone hates them?  

And as to the demographic threat due to the reproduction rate of those arabs who *are* citizens of Israel isn&#039;t that call of Netayahu for arab recognition of Israel as &quot;a jewish state&quot; nothing less than groundwork laying for Israel&#039;s expulsion of however many arabs it takes in the future to preserve its jewish identity? 

Right now Bibi and Israel don&#039;t want to talk about a two-state solution because they haven&#039;t yet established all the &quot;facts on the ground&quot; in the form of settlements that they want hoarding all the best land and water and etc. After they&#039;ve done that I don&#039;t think they care what happens to the rest, whether it&#039;s called a state or a statelet or part of Jordan or whatever so long as it or they are utterly under practical Israeli control. Indeed they&#039;ll need some non-Israeli territory that they can expel their Israeli arab citizenry to when the time comes. Or as Mr. Lieberman would put it, tell their arabs to assemble their bundles and go.  

After awhile even the dumbest have to concede that no matter what someone says, if that person has been doing something long enough and determined enough that gee, their intention is to continue doing it until it&#039;s accomplished?

Cheers,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does Buchanan know that what he calls &#8220;Bibi&#8217;s Dead End&#8221; isn&#8217;t looked upon by Bibi and indeed Israel as a perfectly fine thing to live with for however long, especially so long as the U.S. continues to fund it? </p>
<p>In fact isn&#8217;t all the evidence that Israel has a much longer view than we do and is perfectly willing to live with no matter how much of the obloquy of the world it incurs for however long in exchange for keeping what it thinks the Bible promised it? Indeed, that at least some segment of Israeli society actually likes that obloquy because that justifies the belief that alone amongst people they are special because everyone hates them?  </p>
<p>And as to the demographic threat due to the reproduction rate of those arabs who *are* citizens of Israel isn&#8217;t that call of Netayahu for arab recognition of Israel as &#8220;a jewish state&#8221; nothing less than groundwork laying for Israel&#8217;s expulsion of however many arabs it takes in the future to preserve its jewish identity? </p>
<p>Right now Bibi and Israel don&#8217;t want to talk about a two-state solution because they haven&#8217;t yet established all the &#8220;facts on the ground&#8221; in the form of settlements that they want hoarding all the best land and water and etc. After they&#8217;ve done that I don&#8217;t think they care what happens to the rest, whether it&#8217;s called a state or a statelet or part of Jordan or whatever so long as it or they are utterly under practical Israeli control. Indeed they&#8217;ll need some non-Israeli territory that they can expel their Israeli arab citizenry to when the time comes. Or as Mr. Lieberman would put it, tell their arabs to assemble their bundles and go.  </p>
<p>After awhile even the dumbest have to concede that no matter what someone says, if that person has been doing something long enough and determined enough that gee, their intention is to continue doing it until it&#8217;s accomplished?</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Panfile</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Panfile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 10:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buchanan writes with insight about the problem, but avoids what would need to happen to solve things, and for obvious reasons.  True conservatives, in order to participate productively, would have to disavow the Christianist wing of the Republican party that has been dining out on ridiculous apocalyptic visions since at least the Eighties.  One is reminded of Woody Allen&#039;s quip about what Jesus would do if He were to return now... &#039;be unable to stop vomiting.&#039;

My hope is the rise of a Palestinian Gandhi or Martin L. King Jr. to realize that cessation of atrocities on the part of the oppressed people is the most efficient path to liberation; that nonviolent resistance is not merely a question of morality but superior both tactically and strategically in a practical sense.

Lastly, bridging to a critical social issue, can we not all insist that grown men who assume positions of grave responsibility adopt adult names?  It should not be permitted, for example, to head a country and be called Bibi, nor to be the Chief of Staff of the Vice President and be called Scooter.  At such people&#039;s swearing-in ceremonies, they should be required to find some sort of mature appellation to associate themselves with.  Should they refuse, in tribute to the genius of the late William Frawley, they should all be called, by common consent, Fred, or Bub.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buchanan writes with insight about the problem, but avoids what would need to happen to solve things, and for obvious reasons.  True conservatives, in order to participate productively, would have to disavow the Christianist wing of the Republican party that has been dining out on ridiculous apocalyptic visions since at least the Eighties.  One is reminded of Woody Allen&#8217;s quip about what Jesus would do if He were to return now&#8230; &#8216;be unable to stop vomiting.&#8217;</p>
<p>My hope is the rise of a Palestinian Gandhi or Martin L. King Jr. to realize that cessation of atrocities on the part of the oppressed people is the most efficient path to liberation; that nonviolent resistance is not merely a question of morality but superior both tactically and strategically in a practical sense.</p>
<p>Lastly, bridging to a critical social issue, can we not all insist that grown men who assume positions of grave responsibility adopt adult names?  It should not be permitted, for example, to head a country and be called Bibi, nor to be the Chief of Staff of the Vice President and be called Scooter.  At such people&#8217;s swearing-in ceremonies, they should be required to find some sort of mature appellation to associate themselves with.  Should they refuse, in tribute to the genius of the late William Frawley, they should all be called, by common consent, Fred, or Bub.</p>
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		<title>By: Danby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 03:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;For what other comparison comes to mind if the 4 million Palestinians on the West Bank and Gaza are to be confined to such Bantustans, with no country to call their own, their economy and movement subject to Israeli authorities and the Israeli military?&lt;/i&gt;


Only one. That old mediaeval institution known as the ghetto.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>For what other comparison comes to mind if the 4 million Palestinians on the West Bank and Gaza are to be confined to such Bantustans, with no country to call their own, their economy and movement subject to Israeli authorities and the Israeli military?</i></p>
<p>Only one. That old mediaeval institution known as the ghetto.</p>
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