Lindsey Graham Gets Testy at Ron Paul Supporters
Thanks to Jack Hunter for bringing this video clip to my attention. Graham is the worst possible face for the GOP: an unrepentant warhawk and Bush drone who is also unreliable on bread-and-butter conservative issues. The party will be in the wilderness for years to come so long as it tolerates the likes of Lindsey.
Yes he is! Ron Paul is the leader of the Republican Party in my opinion!
http://www.wtma.com/goout.asp?u=http://southernavenger.ccpblogs.com/
“Neocon asshole Lindsey Graham says it AGAIN! ‘Ron Paul is not the leader of the Republican Party:’”
Okay, so you hate Lindsey Graham, along with your buddy Jack Hunter, who is backing the Democratic challenger.
I have very little use for Lindsey Graham, but I must say, you and your liberal buddies are a “real class act” (sarcasm).
At issue is whether the Republican Party of the future should be more honestly adhering to the limits of federal government power in the ways of “traditional” conservatives, who were more libertarian, or more rightist-to-populist as more recent “conservatives” have been, leading to the current brand of conservatives to be branded “neoconservatives” and “moderates”.
I choose Ron Paul’s principled call to a return to strict adherance to the Constitution, as he has made a very good case for in his recent book. He is secretly regarded by many of his colleagues in Washington as incredibly honest, a one of a kind stateman-like legislator who defies the conventional wisdom of “promise the voter whatever he wants to get elected”. History will judge Ron Paul much more favorably than his fellow Republicans and Democrats who flutter in the winds of public opinion and sell their souls to the devil at election time.
Graham’s Democratic challenger in 2008 was actually a far better conservative than Graham was.
Click on my name (actually please don’t) if you want to see government pornography and Lindsey Graham’s defense for it’s continuation.
Jack Hunter might have used some vulgarity in describing Graham, but Graham has behaved in an obscene manner, and I’ll take vulgarity over obscenity any day, especially if the obscenity involved is the obscenity of power.
Tom T,
I apologize for my language in that initial Twitter post but not for my anger. Lindsey Graham is a nasty little man, and while I have always prided myself on keeping the political separate from the personal, I fear the two have become irretrievably intetwined when it comes to Graham.
Yet I am not alone in my feelings on Graham, and animosity towards him runs wide and deep in South Carolina amongst conservatives. As Dan pointed out, not only is Graham the “worst possible face for the GOP” he has been the worst possible senator for my state. This video is a good example of this and I will gladly take a little populist – even uncouth – anger toward Lindsey, than a constituency that continues to give the senator a free pass simply because he has an “R” next to his name. Such counterproductive, defeatist logic by conservatives really needs to end – and Graham is a good place to start.
Mark Sanford responds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikqJ_KB66WQ
Tom T
Ron Paul supporters are mostly made up of what is left of the conservative movement that used to be the Republican Party.
They went to the Libertarians because they see the GOP for what it is now. The Right Wing branch of the Democrat Party!!!!!
The RINO Neo-Cons are the ones running the GOP now and look where that has gotten us. Bankrupt, in debt, troops spread to thin and a Socialist taking all that big government that the Neo-cons put in action to use against us. Home Land Security says that people with conservative Values are potential Terrorist. How about that? I am seeing history repeat its self!
The reaction to Graham’s speech is a clear indication of why Republicans lose and will continue to lose well into the future
[...] Sen. Graham has heard Ron Paul’s name a few time too often in South Carolina recently as you watch Graham’s reaction at the recent South Carolina state GOP convention. (Thanks to Jack Hunter [...]
I can’t believe that “fight them over there” stuff still sells anywhere.
Lindsey is spending there money, killing there kids and destroying their wages, and these subhumans give him a round of applause.
They really are just dumb as dirt, and yes, the Republicans will be in the wilderness for some time to come, it seems.
Lindsey Graham is right about one thing. He doesn’t like liberty and neither does his buddies. How does he sleep at night and say that stuff with a straight face knowing that Ronald Reagan said libertarianism is the heart and soul of conservatism? Does he and his supporters have the mental capabilities to understand what Ronald Reagan meant? How can he rationalize being a Ronald Reagan Republican? Fraud? I think so. Mark Sanford understands.
Ron Paul is the only redeeming quality the GOP has left.
Without Ron Paul, the Republican Party would be half ther size.
When will the leadership realize the only activists that work for conservative ideals are people like the Campaign for Liberty, Ron Paul’s home team. Its time to wise up GOP
Who knew that Lindsey was a man of so many levels?
E.g., “I want the Republicans to be winners!”
Level A moral translation: “And screw doing what’s right!”
Level B political understanding translation: “Because ‘winning’ doesn’t have anything to do with being right!”
Level C intelligence translation: “And despite just having our asses handed to us in our hat because of doing what we were doing I can still stand here and believe and say that continuing it is the path to winning!”
A formidable man that Lindsey is. The Repub’s have gotta lock on 2012….
Cheers,
Can someone explain to me the whole theory behind “fight them over there….” How is sending troops “over there” going to stop 5 guys with box cutters from taking down an airplane “over here?”
Neocon Lindsey feels the heat.
Here is an interview Reagan did with Reason Magazine in 1975 where he brings up libertarianism. After reading this, who would you group Reagan with – Paul or Graham?
http://www.reason.com/news/show/29318.html
REAGAN: If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals–if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.
Now, I can’t say that I will agree with all the things that the present group who call themselves Libertarians in the sense of a party say, because I think that like in any political movement there are shades, and there are libertarians who are almost over at the point of wanting no government at all or anarchy. I believe there are legitimate government functions. There is a legitimate need in an orderly society for some government to maintain freedom or we will have tyranny by individuals. The strongest man on the block will run the neighborhood. We have government to insure that we don’t each one of us have to carry a club to defend ourselves. But again, I stand on my statement that I think that libertarianism and conservatism are travelling the same path.
That “Fight them over there so they don’t fight over here” reveals Graham as a warmongering idiot of the Bush persuasion. Good for the Ron Paul supporters at the convention to shout this would be Caesar down. Ron Paul is the only man in America who can revive the Republican Party.
Lindsey has “won” the biggest, most expensive, most authoritarian and interventionist government in U.S. history.
Sadly, he actually considers that a “victory”!!
[...] areas.” That carried over to the South Carolina Republican Party this weekend, where he was booed and harrassed when he defensively tried taking a mainstream conservative approach at a gathering dominated by [...]
I’ll vote for Ron Paul and no other Republican, sir.
You go start another war in Iran or Pakistan and kill more of our soldiers, sir, but I’ll fight against what you stand for until the day I die. You are WRONG, WRONG, WRONG and feel sorry for you, sir…you don’t have the common sense and principles to consider yourself a libertarian.
Ron Paul is as much as a politician as anyone else. Pushed for term limits… but is currently on his 10th term? He’s against pork… but piles it on. Paul wanted to abolish public schools… now he doesn’t. Ron Paul is a nut in regard to foreign policy. We have bases in Germany, Japan, Korea, etc. for mobilization issues. When the U.S. decided to close a base in Germany…Heidelberg and Mannheim begged the U.S. to stay…because they rely on our business. Ron Paul is naive on Iran… perhaps he should read up on the 12th Imam religious philosophy. Tim Russert .. the last journalist on MSNBC shook him up a long time ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmhkbIDwK50
I think I heard Graham say, “I’m a winner, pal.” What the hell is this? It sounds like something a second-grader would say. Graham is a taker, not a winner. Time for this barnacled-over barge to take a leak.
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Tom T,
Really, vulgarity bothers you that much – you should probably never watch a football game with me then. Jack’s right though: I’ll take a Democrat who believes in the constitution over a neocon, George Bush-loving, McCain-ass-kissing, statist like Graham – who wants perpetual warfare and to nationalize the banking industry – any day of the week.
johnjay,
The 12th Imam philosophy is scary stuff but is it any worse than Pastor John Hagee advocated the preemptive use of nuclear weapons against Iran as a biblical edict. By that logic, if a small minority of Iranians with apocalyptic beliefs is a reason to attack Iran then someone like Hagee, who has tremendous influence in many political circles – including the previous administration, is sufficient reason why America should be attacked
it is clear that the Ron Paul posts on here draw the most comments. i appreciate how AMCON is indpendent of politicians and stands for ideas, but is there any one politician who better captures the ideals of its readers?
Apples and oranges….Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a fanatic that believes he’s paving the way for the Mahdi… and is the head of a country seeking nuclear weapons. John Hagee is a pastor with no power.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/july-dec05/iran_12-9.html
johnjay, Ahmadinejad is the clown, and Khamenei is the leader. What is wrong with our leaders for being silent in the re-election of Hitler? Is it because they seek to appease him? Is it because they fear his soapbox rants or is it because they need Hitler to be re-elected? The world stood by and without a whimper let Hitler be re-elected in June 2009.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KE14Ak02.html
Apparently there is a bit of mistranslation to the 11th commandment. It should be “thou shall not speak evil of another RINO”. Graham apparently thinks it is fine to speak evil of paleocons, libertarians, constitutionalists, pro-lifers, cultural conservatives, just not the mushy-moderates or even someone like Arlen Spectre until a few weeks ago.
As to Ron Paul’s “same-as”, there is a distinction in not violating your principles, and the art of the possible. If $100 million is going to be misspent anyway (and he votes against the package), it isn’t wrong to have it misspent on a lesser evil, or not to include his district in the spending. Term limits are an ideal but not a strict principle. It is a bit like gun control where you turn in your gun but not really enforce the evildoers turning in theirs. Term limits is one of those things which can only work collectively, i.e. the whole house needs to be term-limited (and under the GOP, I think ALL chairmen were forced to rotate after 6 years).
Ahmadinejad does NOT control the military – it would help if people would learn who has what powers in Iran since it isn’t along US system lines. But we see this confusion here too. Pelosi is practically being charged with ordering torture although she was merely in the minority leadership, but are ignoring Bush (who did have the power) and Cheney (who theoretically only breaks ties in the Senate and a few other minor things) are the ones who should be held accountable. Of course I say hold everyone, Pelosi, Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, Tenent, and everyone else, but Ahmadinejad and Pelosi make for better caricatures to avoid actually thinking about the real issues, real crimes and criminals, or analyzing the real threats.
We’ve got our political leaders looting us by the trillions and killing civilians en masse, and JJ here has a problem with the only man standing against it because of his stances on term limits or earmarks that /only/ work if everyone else abides by it. He’s obviously backing another horse.
It’s true there’s scary people over there, but you know why? This ridiculous foreign policy kills completely innocent families over there for no good damned reason at all and incenses people to violence who otherwise would merely talk about it. These actions are making it worse, upping their recruiting and making a boogeyman real. Those sorts of views would have no traction if we didn’t have our fingers in all of their pies.
Look up Matthew Alexander. His team had tremendous success interrogating terrorists to bag the top guy in Iraq, with no torture used whatsoever. One guy even told him, “I thought you would torture me, and when you didn’t, I decided that everything I was told about Americans was wrong. That’s why I decided to cooperate.”
In a way it’s the fault of Ron Paul supporters that Graham is behaving this way…very few Ron Paul supporters (myself included) supported his pro-Ron-Paul opponent Bob Conley in last year’s elections…Graham received millions in campaign contributions while Conley was almost broke…even with the lack of donations Conley managed to get 42% of the vote. Conley wasn’t even able to get an endorsement from Ron Paul.
With an endorsement from RP and hundreds of thousands in donations like BJ Lawson received Conley could have beat him….now we are stuck for the next 6 years hearing Graham’s trash talk. He sure hasn’t forgotten that a Ron Paul supporter dared to take his Senate seat away.
Maybe Ron Paul is not Graham’s type. I think he prefers men in uniform like Mccain. Graham, just another useless RINO, moderate republican. Of no use to anybody who is a true conservative.
Obviously a sodomite. He is very effeminate. Also Lindsey, what about the parts of the bible forbidding homosexuality? Little sassy queen.
He and Barney Slurping Frank, need to get together and move to san fransisco. I am sick of sodomites, and other immoral people running this country. The government is full of devils, some obvious, others are wolves in sheeps clothing. They must be exorcised out.