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		<title>By: Legalise fever - catch it! (692)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Legalise fever - catch it! (692)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 07:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Conservative magazine can see the pace of change regarding cannabis laws in America. And the conservative right seem down with it [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Last Redoubt &#171; Tethered Swimming</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2009/04/01/status-quo-going-up-in-smoke/comment-page-1/#comment-5667</link>
		<dc:creator>The Last Redoubt &#171; Tethered Swimming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 22:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] reasonable objections to the wasteful reality of the drug war (see Glenn Greenwald at Salon and Kelley Vlahos at @TAC for recent examples).  That&#8217;s all well and good, but our government&#8217;s drug [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] reasonable objections to the wasteful reality of the drug war (see Glenn Greenwald at Salon and Kelley Vlahos at @TAC for recent examples).  That&#8217;s all well and good, but our government&#8217;s drug [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I genuinely appreciated this article.  All I have to say is that I would feel a hell a better about raising my children in this country if marijuana was legal and regulated.  In my opinion, there is no greater threat to my children than the US criminal justice system.  Followed that closely by the black market that only exists because of our failed efforts at prohibition.

Cheers to the politicians who are finally doing what they should be doing - protecting the people who have given them their power.

Legalize it, regulate it, tax it.

Peace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I genuinely appreciated this article.  All I have to say is that I would feel a hell a better about raising my children in this country if marijuana was legal and regulated.  In my opinion, there is no greater threat to my children than the US criminal justice system.  Followed that closely by the black market that only exists because of our failed efforts at prohibition.</p>
<p>Cheers to the politicians who are finally doing what they should be doing &#8211; protecting the people who have given them their power.</p>
<p>Legalize it, regulate it, tax it.</p>
<p>Peace</p>
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		<title>By: MattSwartz</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2009/04/01/status-quo-going-up-in-smoke/comment-page-1/#comment-5476</link>
		<dc:creator>MattSwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 13:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I’d wager a modest amount that by the end of Obama’s Presidency (which I’d also wager will indeed be 8 years) that the only significant change we’ll see will be with so-called “medicinal” marijuana, and that will still be a mess like it is in California.

There’s just too much institutional mass interested in keeping pot illegal. The cops, the district attorneys, the courts, the jailers, the counselors, the DEA, Customs, parts of the military, parts of Intell, parts of the State Dept. and etc., etc. &lt;/i&gt;

I hope and wish that Kelley is right, but I fear and expect that TomB is. Some of the larger cities and many more of the states might flirt with legalization, but the 3000lb gorilla in the room is the Federal Government, which no state or city has the political will to challenge, especially not when they&#039;re on the receiving end of bailout millions.

My prediction? Many statutory moves will be made towards legalization, but the FedGov, which is now totally beyond the reach of the people, will continue to enforce their drug laws, even against cannabis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’d wager a modest amount that by the end of Obama’s Presidency (which I’d also wager will indeed be 8 years) that the only significant change we’ll see will be with so-called “medicinal” marijuana, and that will still be a mess like it is in California.</p>
<p>There’s just too much institutional mass interested in keeping pot illegal. The cops, the district attorneys, the courts, the jailers, the counselors, the DEA, Customs, parts of the military, parts of Intell, parts of the State Dept. and etc., etc. </i></p>
<p>I hope and wish that Kelley is right, but I fear and expect that TomB is. Some of the larger cities and many more of the states might flirt with legalization, but the 3000lb gorilla in the room is the Federal Government, which no state or city has the political will to challenge, especially not when they&#8217;re on the receiving end of bailout millions.</p>
<p>My prediction? Many statutory moves will be made towards legalization, but the FedGov, which is now totally beyond the reach of the people, will continue to enforce their drug laws, even against cannabis.</p>
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		<title>By: RevRayGreen</title>
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		<dc:creator>RevRayGreen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 02:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@TomB, the mess is California is rogue DEA Agents performing smash and grab raids, arresting no one.


SUPPORT THE IOWA GLOBAL MARIJUANA MARCH 2009- MAY 2 HIGH NOON DES MOINES IA
IOWA STATE CAPITOL(west steps) BE PART OF OVER 200+ CITIES WORLDWIDE

Iowans a new sun has dawned over a new Iowa, thank you to all who supported IOWA-SF293 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHpvnamZuLc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@TomB, the mess is California is rogue DEA Agents performing smash and grab raids, arresting no one.</p>
<p>SUPPORT THE IOWA GLOBAL MARIJUANA MARCH 2009- MAY 2 HIGH NOON DES MOINES IA<br />
IOWA STATE CAPITOL(west steps) BE PART OF OVER 200+ CITIES WORLDWIDE</p>
<p>Iowans a new sun has dawned over a new Iowa, thank you to all who supported IOWA-SF293 </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHpvnamZuLc" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHpvnamZuLc</a></p>
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		<title>By: steven quillen</title>
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		<dc:creator>steven quillen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 00:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only thing in these chats about cannabis I would REALLY like to see changed is...CANNABIS...when mentioned as a drug...should be mentioned as an ALL NATURAL drug..unlike ANY drug the pharmacuticals produce..It is GOD&#039;S gift to man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing in these chats about cannabis I would REALLY like to see changed is&#8230;CANNABIS&#8230;when mentioned as a drug&#8230;should be mentioned as an ALL NATURAL drug..unlike ANY drug the pharmacuticals produce..It is GOD&#8217;S gift to man.</p>
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		<title>By: James Spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 00:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A nickle says this becomes President Obama&#039;s &#039;don&#039;t ask, don&#039;t tell&#039;.  lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A nickle says this becomes President Obama&#8217;s &#8216;don&#8217;t ask, don&#8217;t tell&#8217;.  lol</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Hempseed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny Hempseed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 00:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is marijuana reform considered &quot;radioactive&quot;? Only because the politicians say so.  A huge majority of the population has been in support of both medical cannabis access and decrim (no arrests for small possession) for year nows.

It&#039;s time to recognize that marijuana reform isn&#039;t radioactive or &quot;controversial&quot; - it&#039;s common sense.  Have we in American gone so far into a Orwellian totalitarian society that we&#039;ve lost our ability to act on common sense? 

I agree completely with TomB.  It&#039;s time to start talking about the only real reason why cannabis isn&#039;t legal and regulated - the police/prison inustrial complex.  Law enforcement has become the most powerful element of American government.  The other parts of the government have lost the ability to control law enforcement.  Policies and laws are now decided and written by law enforcement in the way that benefits the criminal justice machine.

In Russia when the Soviet Union collapsed and the government could no longer pay its security apparatus and law enforcement agendies they went directly into the mafia, and now the country is plagued by violent extortion that makes it nearly impossible to start and operate a business.  Is that where we&#039;re headed?  Stay tuned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is marijuana reform considered &#8220;radioactive&#8221;? Only because the politicians say so.  A huge majority of the population has been in support of both medical cannabis access and decrim (no arrests for small possession) for year nows.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s time to recognize that marijuana reform isn&#8217;t radioactive or &#8220;controversial&#8221; &#8211; it&#8217;s common sense.  Have we in American gone so far into a Orwellian totalitarian society that we&#8217;ve lost our ability to act on common sense? </p>
<p>I agree completely with TomB.  It&#8217;s time to start talking about the only real reason why cannabis isn&#8217;t legal and regulated &#8211; the police/prison inustrial complex.  Law enforcement has become the most powerful element of American government.  The other parts of the government have lost the ability to control law enforcement.  Policies and laws are now decided and written by law enforcement in the way that benefits the criminal justice machine.</p>
<p>In Russia when the Soviet Union collapsed and the government could no longer pay its security apparatus and law enforcement agendies they went directly into the mafia, and now the country is plagued by violent extortion that makes it nearly impossible to start and operate a business.  Is that where we&#8217;re headed?  Stay tuned.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Bullock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Bullock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 23:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is time that we the people become fully imformed jurist, who legally judge the law as well as the defendant. We as jurors have the right to aquit a person if we feel the laws are  bad laws. When juries begin to simply aquit drug defendants, the laws will be forced to change. It only takes one juror to stop the other 11 from sending people to jail for drug offenses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is time that we the people become fully imformed jurist, who legally judge the law as well as the defendant. We as jurors have the right to aquit a person if we feel the laws are  bad laws. When juries begin to simply aquit drug defendants, the laws will be forced to change. It only takes one juror to stop the other 11 from sending people to jail for drug offenses.</p>
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		<title>By: Luis de Agustin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luis de Agustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 23:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kelley, you make a reasoned argument in support of medical marijuana legalization and decriminalization in general. You note President Obama’s apparent congeniality toward the idea. For it to gain currency with Mr. Obama however, political profit need be found to counter the risk to the president’s unpotularity among prohibitionists. Imagine the vitriol when that first DUI medical marijuanist the president enabled runs over a pedestrian, and keeps trukin’ on down the road. Would you want to be in the president’s tie die?

But the president’s overcoming fear of tarring is easier than getting past the real politics of changing the law. The real politics, reducing the flow of money and power to constituencies who profit from keeping the drug illegal, that’s activism wherein Obama is unlikely to see profit.

At the end of the moral debate and after weighing the political risk, you have to wonder if regards making it easier to get pot and cutting the perquisites to the war on drug industry Mr. Obama won’t just say, do I really need this?

Luis de Agustin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelley, you make a reasoned argument in support of medical marijuana legalization and decriminalization in general. You note President Obama’s apparent congeniality toward the idea. For it to gain currency with Mr. Obama however, political profit need be found to counter the risk to the president’s unpotularity among prohibitionists. Imagine the vitriol when that first DUI medical marijuanist the president enabled runs over a pedestrian, and keeps trukin’ on down the road. Would you want to be in the president’s tie die?</p>
<p>But the president’s overcoming fear of tarring is easier than getting past the real politics of changing the law. The real politics, reducing the flow of money and power to constituencies who profit from keeping the drug illegal, that’s activism wherein Obama is unlikely to see profit.</p>
<p>At the end of the moral debate and after weighing the political risk, you have to wonder if regards making it easier to get pot and cutting the perquisites to the war on drug industry Mr. Obama won’t just say, do I really need this?</p>
<p>Luis de Agustin</p>
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		<title>By: James Raider</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2009/04/01/status-quo-going-up-in-smoke/comment-page-1/#comment-5459</link>
		<dc:creator>James Raider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 22:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prohibition strains the Constitution and The War on Drugs has been a misguided failure. END IT.

http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2009/04/war-on-drugs-time-for-change.html

Time to regain control of our streets and our sanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prohibition strains the Constitution and The War on Drugs has been a misguided failure. END IT.</p>
<p><a href="http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2009/04/war-on-drugs-time-for-change.html" rel="nofollow">http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2009/04/war-on-drugs-time-for-change.html</a></p>
<p>Time to regain control of our streets and our sanity.</p>
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		<title>By: Ricky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ricky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 15:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The prohibition of marijuana is hurting our country far more than marijuana ever will. Politicians need to get their heads our of the sand and realize that being a parrot for the same failed policy will not score them any points anymore. It&#039;s getting bad. Why the hell should we keep prohibition going? How much power do we want to give drug lords?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The prohibition of marijuana is hurting our country far more than marijuana ever will. Politicians need to get their heads our of the sand and realize that being a parrot for the same failed policy will not score them any points anymore. It&#8217;s getting bad. Why the hell should we keep prohibition going? How much power do we want to give drug lords?</p>
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		<title>By: TomB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TomB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 14:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some reason the link I provided for youtube did not show in my comment so I&#039;ll try it again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9-09sWCdlY

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some reason the link I provided for youtube did not show in my comment so I&#8217;ll try it again:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9-09sWCdlY" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9-09sWCdlY</a></p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: TomB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TomB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 14:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d wager a modest amount that by the end of Obama&#039;s Presidency (which I&#039;d also wager will indeed be 8 years) that the only significant change we&#039;ll see will be with so-called &quot;medicinal&quot; marijuana, and that will still be a mess like it is in California. 

There&#039;s just too much institutional mass interested in keeping pot illegal. The cops, the district attorneys, the courts, the jailers, the counselors, the DEA, Customs, parts of the military, parts of Intell, parts of the State Dept. and etc., etc. 

And it&#039;ll be the cops in one form or another who will be the big blockage. Think of how much of their dough comes in order to &quot;fight drugs.&quot; Think of how many of their arrest and conviction statistics come from mere marijuana possession &quot;with intent to sell.&quot; 

That Lynch case is instructive. John Stossel had a piece on this Lynch case the other day on 20/20, and here it is on youtube:



Beyond appalling. Guy opens storefront to sell medicinal pot in strict accord with Calif. law. Mayor attends ribbon-cutting ceremony opening it. Local sheriff however doesn&#039;t like it. Sends in undercover people like mad trying to entice the guy to sell in violation of Calif. law. (To underage people or those without physician slips or whatever.) Not one succeeded. So what did the Sheriff do? Turned it over to the Feds whose law doesn&#039;t recognize one whit of California&#039;s validity. They storm the place with the usual assault-troop-like tactic involving large numbers of officers. Put a gun to the guy&#039;s head on the ground. Prosecute him simply for selling. At trial none of defense&#039;s based on California law allowed, nor any evidence going to show same; it&#039;s all irrelevant. The guy is convicted with the jury saying &quot;we had no choice given the federal law standards we were sworn to use to decide our verdict.&quot; The guy loses his livelyhood, his house, everything and as noted above is awaiting sentencing.

Beyond appalling. And yet where was the groundswell in that area against the Sheriff?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d wager a modest amount that by the end of Obama&#8217;s Presidency (which I&#8217;d also wager will indeed be 8 years) that the only significant change we&#8217;ll see will be with so-called &#8220;medicinal&#8221; marijuana, and that will still be a mess like it is in California. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s just too much institutional mass interested in keeping pot illegal. The cops, the district attorneys, the courts, the jailers, the counselors, the DEA, Customs, parts of the military, parts of Intell, parts of the State Dept. and etc., etc. </p>
<p>And it&#8217;ll be the cops in one form or another who will be the big blockage. Think of how much of their dough comes in order to &#8220;fight drugs.&#8221; Think of how many of their arrest and conviction statistics come from mere marijuana possession &#8220;with intent to sell.&#8221; </p>
<p>That Lynch case is instructive. John Stossel had a piece on this Lynch case the other day on 20/20, and here it is on youtube:</p>
<p>Beyond appalling. Guy opens storefront to sell medicinal pot in strict accord with Calif. law. Mayor attends ribbon-cutting ceremony opening it. Local sheriff however doesn&#8217;t like it. Sends in undercover people like mad trying to entice the guy to sell in violation of Calif. law. (To underage people or those without physician slips or whatever.) Not one succeeded. So what did the Sheriff do? Turned it over to the Feds whose law doesn&#8217;t recognize one whit of California&#8217;s validity. They storm the place with the usual assault-troop-like tactic involving large numbers of officers. Put a gun to the guy&#8217;s head on the ground. Prosecute him simply for selling. At trial none of defense&#8217;s based on California law allowed, nor any evidence going to show same; it&#8217;s all irrelevant. The guy is convicted with the jury saying &#8220;we had no choice given the federal law standards we were sworn to use to decide our verdict.&#8221; The guy loses his livelyhood, his house, everything and as noted above is awaiting sentencing.</p>
<p>Beyond appalling. And yet where was the groundswell in that area against the Sheriff?</p>
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		<title>By: Budd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Budd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 14:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good Morning,

Excellent article.  The taboos against merely discussing the validity of the war on drugs, as exemplified by the recent mess at the El Paso city council, are finally blowing away in the wind.  This drug war was a disaster from day one and someday will be discussed in history classes as the worst policy ever implemented in the US.  

Right now we simply do not have the luxury of being wrong anymore.  Economic costs alone justify ending the drug war.  To paraphrase Churchill;  Never has so much been spent to hurt so many and accomplish so little.  In fact, since most of the violence and crime we have seen could never have come about without Prohibition the drug war was akin to a football player running the ball into his own end zone....over and over and over and.....Well, actually I&#039;m sure the coach would have benched the kid after the first time.  Second time at most.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Morning,</p>
<p>Excellent article.  The taboos against merely discussing the validity of the war on drugs, as exemplified by the recent mess at the El Paso city council, are finally blowing away in the wind.  This drug war was a disaster from day one and someday will be discussed in history classes as the worst policy ever implemented in the US.  </p>
<p>Right now we simply do not have the luxury of being wrong anymore.  Economic costs alone justify ending the drug war.  To paraphrase Churchill;  Never has so much been spent to hurt so many and accomplish so little.  In fact, since most of the violence and crime we have seen could never have come about without Prohibition the drug war was akin to a football player running the ball into his own end zone&#8230;.over and over and over and&#8230;..Well, actually I&#8217;m sure the coach would have benched the kid after the first time.  Second time at most.</p>
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