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		<title>By: Thomas O. Meehan</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2009/02/17/kids-for-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-4469</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas O. Meehan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 05:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Criminal Justice functions are privatized for two reasons.  Cost, and the desire to put unpopular or risky processes at arms length .  Halfway Houses are a good example.  While ostensibly serving to re-integrate offenders into society, many states use private halfway houses as holding pens.  When I retired from NJ Government in 2001, we had approximately 2400 inmates living in such halfway houses.  The lion&#039;s share were run by large corporate private prison companies.  All of these inmates were pre-parole, that is, actual serving inmates.  

With so many convicts the temptation to privatize become overwhelming.  There are some good and some bad aspects of this.  But the main reason is that it cost about 25k to keep a convict in prison but only about 16K to house that same inmate in a halfway house located in his home town.  In fact, the halfway houses in NJ were almost all in the same ghetto&#039;s the inmates came from in the first place.

Regarding recidivism.  The majority of inmates  have juvenile records, avoided any education and have been on the road to crime and dependency from a very early age.  My inexperienced is that we have an endemic minority underclass that views what we call crime as normal behavior.  Avoiding work, getting high and acting out are the norm within the ghetto&#039;s our criminals come from. Legalizing drugs, while providing some relief, will not solve the problem of the criminal underclass.  We must come to terms with the fact that our resident third world population cannot function in our post industrial society.  

Actual recidivism rates were a closely guarded secret when I was involved because they were so appallingly bad.  When you hear about successful programs and low recidivism rates, ask about time frames.  We bragged of recidivism statistics showing &quot;X&quot; percent of our halfway house inmates stayed out of jail.  What we didn&#039;t tell the public was that the time frame was only five years!  Inmates walked away from the halfway houses, tested positive for drugs and committed crimes at alarming rates.   

You&#039;re point about our country becoming unrecognizable is correct.  By declaring a war on drugs and now terrorism we have extended the police power of the state to a point where many of us fear the government as much if not more than the criminals.  Even more frightening is the drift to merge the social services network with the Criminal Justice System.  Our system has degenerated from one based on personal responsibility and accountability to one based on therapeutic voodoo.  The current model is based on behavioral/cognitive learning studies developed in Canada.  Need I tell you that this model has limited success with our 70 IQ thugs?

I must differ on one point.  I now live in Pennsylvania where we have elected Judges and Prosecutors.  The horror show I outlined above in New Jersey took place in an environment where none of the major actors were elected.  The difference between the two is that we in PA can reject  our officials at the ballot box, the citizens of NJ are helpless.  Public officials in PA are a lot more deferential to citizen rights.  

Finally, whatever employment hope the criminal classes have disappeared with the admission to our country of million of illegal aliens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Criminal Justice functions are privatized for two reasons.  Cost, and the desire to put unpopular or risky processes at arms length .  Halfway Houses are a good example.  While ostensibly serving to re-integrate offenders into society, many states use private halfway houses as holding pens.  When I retired from NJ Government in 2001, we had approximately 2400 inmates living in such halfway houses.  The lion&#8217;s share were run by large corporate private prison companies.  All of these inmates were pre-parole, that is, actual serving inmates.  </p>
<p>With so many convicts the temptation to privatize become overwhelming.  There are some good and some bad aspects of this.  But the main reason is that it cost about 25k to keep a convict in prison but only about 16K to house that same inmate in a halfway house located in his home town.  In fact, the halfway houses in NJ were almost all in the same ghetto&#8217;s the inmates came from in the first place.</p>
<p>Regarding recidivism.  The majority of inmates  have juvenile records, avoided any education and have been on the road to crime and dependency from a very early age.  My inexperienced is that we have an endemic minority underclass that views what we call crime as normal behavior.  Avoiding work, getting high and acting out are the norm within the ghetto&#8217;s our criminals come from. Legalizing drugs, while providing some relief, will not solve the problem of the criminal underclass.  We must come to terms with the fact that our resident third world population cannot function in our post industrial society.  </p>
<p>Actual recidivism rates were a closely guarded secret when I was involved because they were so appallingly bad.  When you hear about successful programs and low recidivism rates, ask about time frames.  We bragged of recidivism statistics showing &#8220;X&#8221; percent of our halfway house inmates stayed out of jail.  What we didn&#8217;t tell the public was that the time frame was only five years!  Inmates walked away from the halfway houses, tested positive for drugs and committed crimes at alarming rates.   </p>
<p>You&#8217;re point about our country becoming unrecognizable is correct.  By declaring a war on drugs and now terrorism we have extended the police power of the state to a point where many of us fear the government as much if not more than the criminals.  Even more frightening is the drift to merge the social services network with the Criminal Justice System.  Our system has degenerated from one based on personal responsibility and accountability to one based on therapeutic voodoo.  The current model is based on behavioral/cognitive learning studies developed in Canada.  Need I tell you that this model has limited success with our 70 IQ thugs?</p>
<p>I must differ on one point.  I now live in Pennsylvania where we have elected Judges and Prosecutors.  The horror show I outlined above in New Jersey took place in an environment where none of the major actors were elected.  The difference between the two is that we in PA can reject  our officials at the ballot box, the citizens of NJ are helpless.  Public officials in PA are a lot more deferential to citizen rights.  </p>
<p>Finally, whatever employment hope the criminal classes have disappeared with the admission to our country of million of illegal aliens.</p>
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		<title>By: TomB</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2009/02/17/kids-for-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-4467</link>
		<dc:creator>TomB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 03:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MattSwartz wrote:

&quot;I hear that one reason why rural republicans in upstate NY don’t want to bring down incarceration rates is that prisoners (who of course cannot vote) are counted in the census....&quot;

Hilarious. You can just see &#039;em sitting around fuming, angry at the very idea of making recreational pot use a mere misdemeanor with no jail time, cradling their beer in their hand, fresh from the pharmacy picking up their prescription for Viagra, their hyperactive kid&#039;s prescription for Ritalin, and their wife&#039;s prescription for Prozac. 

Terribly unfair, but still funny. Thanks. 

Cheers,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MattSwartz wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;I hear that one reason why rural republicans in upstate NY don’t want to bring down incarceration rates is that prisoners (who of course cannot vote) are counted in the census&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hilarious. You can just see &#8216;em sitting around fuming, angry at the very idea of making recreational pot use a mere misdemeanor with no jail time, cradling their beer in their hand, fresh from the pharmacy picking up their prescription for Viagra, their hyperactive kid&#8217;s prescription for Ritalin, and their wife&#8217;s prescription for Prozac. </p>
<p>Terribly unfair, but still funny. Thanks. </p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
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		<title>By: MattSwartz</title>
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		<dc:creator>MattSwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Along those same lines, TomB,

I hear that one reason why rural republicans in upstate NY don&#039;t want to bring down incarceration rates is that prisoners (who of course cannot vote) are counted in the census, artificially weighting state legislative districts to favor their region.

The problem there is the same as that mentioned in the blogpost: we&#039;ve set up a system that incentivises imprisonment, rather than one that sees it as a last-resort recourse for violent crimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Along those same lines, TomB,</p>
<p>I hear that one reason why rural republicans in upstate NY don&#8217;t want to bring down incarceration rates is that prisoners (who of course cannot vote) are counted in the census, artificially weighting state legislative districts to favor their region.</p>
<p>The problem there is the same as that mentioned in the blogpost: we&#8217;ve set up a system that incentivises imprisonment, rather than one that sees it as a last-resort recourse for violent crimes.</p>
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		<title>By: TomB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TomB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kelley Vlahos wrote:

&quot;else we risk turning this country into something we don’t recognize anymore.&quot;

A little late for that, don&#039;t you think? Indeed, would we &quot;recognize the U.S. anymore&quot; if it *wasn&#039;t* engaged in this never-ended &quot;war on drugs&quot;? If it *hadn&#039;t* gone on its now half-century moral crusade against people putting certain things into their own bodies in the privacy of their own homes?

Let&#039;s see ... a U.S. without some unbelievable percentage of its citizenry in prison, without all the law enforcement devoted to it, without all the judicial resources devoted to it, without all the ancillary crime devoted to its consequences (such as the high prices of drugs due to making them contraband), without the quasi-warfare we wage on so many segments of so many Latin-American countries....

Makes one wonder whether there&#039;s any logical limit to the successfulness of hyper-moralizing politics. Ordinarily you might suspect it would be when one-half of society has put the other one-half in jail and people wake up. But even then given that the half in jail don&#039;t get to vote, well then you think it might be when 26% of society has put the other 74% away....  

Cheers,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelley Vlahos wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;else we risk turning this country into something we don’t recognize anymore.&#8221;</p>
<p>A little late for that, don&#8217;t you think? Indeed, would we &#8220;recognize the U.S. anymore&#8221; if it *wasn&#8217;t* engaged in this never-ended &#8220;war on drugs&#8221;? If it *hadn&#8217;t* gone on its now half-century moral crusade against people putting certain things into their own bodies in the privacy of their own homes?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see &#8230; a U.S. without some unbelievable percentage of its citizenry in prison, without all the law enforcement devoted to it, without all the judicial resources devoted to it, without all the ancillary crime devoted to its consequences (such as the high prices of drugs due to making them contraband), without the quasi-warfare we wage on so many segments of so many Latin-American countries&#8230;.</p>
<p>Makes one wonder whether there&#8217;s any logical limit to the successfulness of hyper-moralizing politics. Ordinarily you might suspect it would be when one-half of society has put the other one-half in jail and people wake up. But even then given that the half in jail don&#8217;t get to vote, well then you think it might be when 26% of society has put the other 74% away&#8230;.  </p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
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