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		<title>By: Carpenter</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2009/01/03/if-i-were-israels-pm/comment-page-1/#comment-3706</link>
		<dc:creator>Carpenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 03:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dom Perkins, I have read about that software too, wish I had saved the link. And then there is this: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article693911.ece

&lt;i&gt;Israel’s Government has thrown its weight behind efforts by supporters to counter what it believes to be negative bias and a tide of pro-Arab propaganda. The Foreign Ministry has ordered trainee diplomats to track websites and chatrooms so that networks of US and European groups with hundreds of thousands of Jewish activists can place supportive messages.

In the past week nearly 5,000 members of the World Union of Jewish Students (WUJS) have downloaded special “megaphone” software that alerts them to anti-Israeli chatrooms or internet polls to enable them to post contrary viewpoints. A student team in Jerusalem combs the web in a host of different languages to flag the sites so that those who have signed up can influence an opinion survey or the course of a debate. 
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Doron Barkat, 29, in Jerusalem, spends long nights trawling the web to try to swing the debate Israel’s way. “When I see internet polls for or against Israel I send out a mailing list to vote for Israel,” he said. “It can be that after 15 minutes there will be 400 votes for Israel.

“It’s very satisfying.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dom Perkins, I have read about that software too, wish I had saved the link. And then there is this: <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article693911.ece" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article693911.ece</a></p>
<p><i>Israel’s Government has thrown its weight behind efforts by supporters to counter what it believes to be negative bias and a tide of pro-Arab propaganda. The Foreign Ministry has ordered trainee diplomats to track websites and chatrooms so that networks of US and European groups with hundreds of thousands of Jewish activists can place supportive messages.</p>
<p>In the past week nearly 5,000 members of the World Union of Jewish Students (WUJS) have downloaded special “megaphone” software that alerts them to anti-Israeli chatrooms or internet polls to enable them to post contrary viewpoints. A student team in Jerusalem combs the web in a host of different languages to flag the sites so that those who have signed up can influence an opinion survey or the course of a debate.<br />
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Doron Barkat, 29, in Jerusalem, spends long nights trawling the web to try to swing the debate Israel’s way. “When I see internet polls for or against Israel I send out a mailing list to vote for Israel,” he said. “It can be that after 15 minutes there will be 400 votes for Israel.</p>
<p>“It’s very satisfying.&#8221;</i></p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2009/01/03/if-i-were-israels-pm/comment-page-1/#comment-3500</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 01:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Israel has been closing settlements for a while now &quot;

Incorrect. They made one move against the West Bank settlements and that almost brought down the government. Since then they have been meek towards the immense Israeli Right and MORE settlements are planned. If anything the situation is worsening and it would take a radical peace-seeker willing to put up with a lot of ear-ache to improve upon it.

That man or woman does not exist, accordingly the &quot;Two State&quot; solution is about to become a piece of history (or perhaps fantasy).

That is &lt;i&gt;already&lt;/i&gt; true of the suicide bombings, by the way. They haven&#039;t happened for years, the last one being during the intifada.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Israel has been closing settlements for a while now &#8221;</p>
<p>Incorrect. They made one move against the West Bank settlements and that almost brought down the government. Since then they have been meek towards the immense Israeli Right and MORE settlements are planned. If anything the situation is worsening and it would take a radical peace-seeker willing to put up with a lot of ear-ache to improve upon it.</p>
<p>That man or woman does not exist, accordingly the &#8220;Two State&#8221; solution is about to become a piece of history (or perhaps fantasy).</p>
<p>That is <i>already</i> true of the suicide bombings, by the way. They haven&#8217;t happened for years, the last one being during the intifada.</p>
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		<title>By: Dom Perkins</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2009/01/03/if-i-were-israels-pm/comment-page-1/#comment-3499</link>
		<dc:creator>Dom Perkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 01:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone once told me that there was a software distributed by the ADL that immediately notifies supporters of Israel that anti Israeli comments are appearing on a particular  website. These supporters then start complaining to the website&#039;s manager about these messages in hopes of getting them censored.

I think I saw this software used on this site a few hours ago. Apparently the trigger world was the name &quot;Israel Shahak&quot; that appeared in a message.Shahak, who has now passed away, was a chemistry professor at hebrew University who wrote several books that are on the top of the Israeli hate and censorship list.

I have been told that simply typing the worlds &quot;Israel Shahak&quot; will get a blog message  immediately targeted for removal by the ADL software. Apparently it just happened here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone once told me that there was a software distributed by the ADL that immediately notifies supporters of Israel that anti Israeli comments are appearing on a particular  website. These supporters then start complaining to the website&#8217;s manager about these messages in hopes of getting them censored.</p>
<p>I think I saw this software used on this site a few hours ago. Apparently the trigger world was the name &#8220;Israel Shahak&#8221; that appeared in a message.Shahak, who has now passed away, was a chemistry professor at hebrew University who wrote several books that are on the top of the Israeli hate and censorship list.</p>
<p>I have been told that simply typing the worlds &#8220;Israel Shahak&#8221; will get a blog message  immediately targeted for removal by the ADL software. Apparently it just happened here.</p>
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		<title>By: Fran</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2009/01/03/if-i-were-israels-pm/comment-page-1/#comment-3496</link>
		<dc:creator>Fran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the extremists in Israel and the general Middle East - it always seems to be they that holler the most diabolical get the most airtime, much like the US with the Rushes, Sharptons, Hannities and Coulters.  I&#039;m sure all the moderates sit idly by and pontificate and analyze about how good commerce could ultimately win out over idealogy.  

Israel has been closing settlements  for a while now and have been trying to play nice and it still gets rockets dumped on it and young Palestinian women strap bombs on their bodies to go off in Israeli civilian areas.  Some brute force may just be what the doctor ordered to bolster the Arab countries to come together with Israel to broker a political deal once and for all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the extremists in Israel and the general Middle East &#8211; it always seems to be they that holler the most diabolical get the most airtime, much like the US with the Rushes, Sharptons, Hannities and Coulters.  I&#8217;m sure all the moderates sit idly by and pontificate and analyze about how good commerce could ultimately win out over idealogy.  </p>
<p>Israel has been closing settlements  for a while now and have been trying to play nice and it still gets rockets dumped on it and young Palestinian women strap bombs on their bodies to go off in Israeli civilian areas.  Some brute force may just be what the doctor ordered to bolster the Arab countries to come together with Israel to broker a political deal once and for all.</p>
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		<title>By: Abu Hatem أبو حاتم &#187; More of the antiwar right condemns Israel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abu Hatem أبو حاتم &#187; More of the antiwar right condemns Israel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Scott McConnell, contributing editor of The American Conservative magazine, criticizes Israel&#8217;s disproportionate force: If I were Israel&#8217;s PM [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Scott McConnell, contributing editor of The American Conservative magazine, criticizes Israel&#8217;s disproportionate force: If I were Israel&#8217;s PM [...]</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2009/01/03/if-i-were-israels-pm/comment-page-1/#comment-3484</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 04:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My simple solution: www.scriboergosum.org.uk/revamp/2044 

My not so simple solution: www.scriboergosum.org.uk/revamp/2088

I&#039;m not deeply into these &quot;perspectivist&quot; approaches (although there is &lt;i&gt;some&lt;/i&gt; call for the relentless barrage of &quot;But what if &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; were an Israeli&quot; to be backed with the fairly obvious: &quot;But what if you were a Palestinian?&quot;) but even when engaging in one I can&#039;t really see the long term advantage for Israel.

Short term for a centrist party needing to hold out against the right, though? Most definitely. Kadima is in a tricky situation and hopes to bomb their way out. Electorally, it could well work. On any other level...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My simple solution: <a href="http://www.scriboergosum.org.uk/revamp/2044" rel="nofollow">http://www.scriboergosum.org.uk/revamp/2044</a> </p>
<p>My not so simple solution: <a href="http://www.scriboergosum.org.uk/revamp/2088" rel="nofollow">http://www.scriboergosum.org.uk/revamp/2088</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not deeply into these &#8220;perspectivist&#8221; approaches (although there is <i>some</i> call for the relentless barrage of &#8220;But what if <i>you</i> were an Israeli&#8221; to be backed with the fairly obvious: &#8220;But what if you were a Palestinian?&#8221;) but even when engaging in one I can&#8217;t really see the long term advantage for Israel.</p>
<p>Short term for a centrist party needing to hold out against the right, though? Most definitely. Kadima is in a tricky situation and hopes to bomb their way out. Electorally, it could well work. On any other level&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: pammie</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2009/01/03/if-i-were-israels-pm/comment-page-1/#comment-3456</link>
		<dc:creator>pammie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 00:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Golly Wow ! And that coming from one whose family once lived in Palestine and owned a lovely piece of it. I only wish these things could happen. If only everyone could be made to understand that ALL people in the area need equal protection under the law  of Israel TODAY and stop rehashing old atrocity stories . We all know they happened on both sides and are continuing on both sides. When the Israeli government owns up to the fact that they have committed wrongs in the past and are willing to set things as right as can be expected, the onus will then be on the Palestinians to step up to the plate. I&#039;m afraid that can&#039;t happen though--too simple- and would require that all needs on both sides be given equal consideration. I suggest an Israeli State where all three religions  and nonbelievers as well are given equal protection under the law--you know, like a real democracy. Great article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Golly Wow ! And that coming from one whose family once lived in Palestine and owned a lovely piece of it. I only wish these things could happen. If only everyone could be made to understand that ALL people in the area need equal protection under the law  of Israel TODAY and stop rehashing old atrocity stories . We all know they happened on both sides and are continuing on both sides. When the Israeli government owns up to the fact that they have committed wrongs in the past and are willing to set things as right as can be expected, the onus will then be on the Palestinians to step up to the plate. I&#8217;m afraid that can&#8217;t happen though&#8211;too simple- and would require that all needs on both sides be given equal consideration. I suggest an Israeli State where all three religions  and nonbelievers as well are given equal protection under the law&#8211;you know, like a real democracy. Great article.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas O. Meehan</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2009/01/03/if-i-were-israels-pm/comment-page-1/#comment-3445</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas O. Meehan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good response, but I can&#039;t resist mentioning that the Iranians aren&#039;t Arabs.  

On a more practical level, I can&#039;t help thinking that any solution to the problem must hinge on a high level of disengagement by the Israeli&#039;s from involvement with the Palestinians.  That is, The Israeli&#039;s need to wall themselves in behind legitimate borders and let the Palestinians work with the Jordanians to create their state.  I&#039;m assuming that this will involve a good deal of American money as anything touching on this question eventually does, but it will be money well spent if it ends the conflict.

Unfortunately, as I write, Israeli tanks are rolling into Gaza.  Israel&#039;s long term plan is unclear but one thing is certain.  What will happen next will create massive international anger against Israel and us.  The only way for the the Jewish state to make certain that no rockets are fired from Gaza is to occupy Gaza.  The occupation of Gaza will entail the suppression and killing of many Gazans, which in turn will fuel a never ending underground resistance.  Since this state of affairs was instigated by Israel&#039;s deliberate strangle hold on Gaza as a tool to topple the elected government of Gaza, a war crime is now in progress.  

Unfortunately our government is a co-conspirator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good response, but I can&#8217;t resist mentioning that the Iranians aren&#8217;t Arabs.  </p>
<p>On a more practical level, I can&#8217;t help thinking that any solution to the problem must hinge on a high level of disengagement by the Israeli&#8217;s from involvement with the Palestinians.  That is, The Israeli&#8217;s need to wall themselves in behind legitimate borders and let the Palestinians work with the Jordanians to create their state.  I&#8217;m assuming that this will involve a good deal of American money as anything touching on this question eventually does, but it will be money well spent if it ends the conflict.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, as I write, Israeli tanks are rolling into Gaza.  Israel&#8217;s long term plan is unclear but one thing is certain.  What will happen next will create massive international anger against Israel and us.  The only way for the the Jewish state to make certain that no rockets are fired from Gaza is to occupy Gaza.  The occupation of Gaza will entail the suppression and killing of many Gazans, which in turn will fuel a never ending underground resistance.  Since this state of affairs was instigated by Israel&#8217;s deliberate strangle hold on Gaza as a tool to topple the elected government of Gaza, a war crime is now in progress.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately our government is a co-conspirator.</p>
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		<title>By: Winston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Winston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with much of this, and I wish it were tried.  But I very much doubt there will be the acceptance of Israel you hope for, particularly by Iran and its Hezbollah/Hamas proxies.  On the other hand, it would strengthen Israel&#039;s moral case against those who would scuttle any agreement.  And perhaps finally get you folks off their backs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with much of this, and I wish it were tried.  But I very much doubt there will be the acceptance of Israel you hope for, particularly by Iran and its Hezbollah/Hamas proxies.  On the other hand, it would strengthen Israel&#8217;s moral case against those who would scuttle any agreement.  And perhaps finally get you folks off their backs.</p>
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