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		<title>By: WESTPAC Warrior</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2008/12/16/the-toyota-republicans/comment-page-1/#comment-3430</link>
		<dc:creator>WESTPAC Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 03:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Derek, do you really think the USG will be taking over the Hundai plant in Pigsknuckle, Alabama if the pooh hits the fan and America needs to increase production for national defense?  Really?   A large portion of the MRAPs sent to Iraq were built in - drum roll - South Africa.  Why?  Because we couldn&#039;t find contractors to build them fast enough in the USA.  Building cars is a basic industrial process and the engineering that goes into making complicated machines cannot be lost because of shortsidedness.  Ford, Chrysler and GM did more than their share during WWII.  Who would pull that kind of weight if they weren&#039;t around?  Toyota? HAH!  Nissan?  Right.  Mercedes?  Please.  Put the union stuff behind you and think of this in a national security frame.   America, lose your domestic car companies at your own peril.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derek, do you really think the USG will be taking over the Hundai plant in Pigsknuckle, Alabama if the pooh hits the fan and America needs to increase production for national defense?  Really?   A large portion of the MRAPs sent to Iraq were built in &#8211; drum roll &#8211; South Africa.  Why?  Because we couldn&#8217;t find contractors to build them fast enough in the USA.  Building cars is a basic industrial process and the engineering that goes into making complicated machines cannot be lost because of shortsidedness.  Ford, Chrysler and GM did more than their share during WWII.  Who would pull that kind of weight if they weren&#8217;t around?  Toyota? HAH!  Nissan?  Right.  Mercedes?  Please.  Put the union stuff behind you and think of this in a national security frame.   America, lose your domestic car companies at your own peril.</p>
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		<title>By: Steel Phoenix</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2008/12/16/the-toyota-republicans/comment-page-1/#comment-3307</link>
		<dc:creator>Steel Phoenix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The two party system is a failure. Both parties have become the worst sort of moderate. This is made all the more obvious as the extreme right and left can now be seen agreeing more often with each other than with either of the two parties. Just look back at how Pat has interacted with Eleanor Clift lately on the McLaughlin group. He agrees with her more than with John lately. We may not agree on the details, but we agree that the current system is a failure.

http://www.toyotarepublicans.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The two party system is a failure. Both parties have become the worst sort of moderate. This is made all the more obvious as the extreme right and left can now be seen agreeing more often with each other than with either of the two parties. Just look back at how Pat has interacted with Eleanor Clift lately on the McLaughlin group. He agrees with her more than with John lately. We may not agree on the details, but we agree that the current system is a failure.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.toyotarepublicans.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.toyotarepublicans.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Derek Copold</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2008/12/16/the-toyota-republicans/comment-page-1/#comment-3164</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Copold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 03:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Can we all agree that Republicans are not good, consistent representatives of the values, principles and ideas they claim to believe in?&lt;/i&gt;

Oh, absolutely.  I&#039;m still pissed about never getting that &quot;more humble&quot; foreign policy we were promised in 2000.  Still, on this issue, the GOP Senators are more right than wrong.  The only hope the automakers and the UAW have is following their recommendations.  Otherwise, they&#039;ll go the way of the Austin Princess.

&lt;i&gt;What’s next? Protectionism against German automobiles because Ferdinand Porsche was decorated by the Nazis? Daimler-Benz built aircrafts that bombed American GIs?&lt;/i&gt;

I guess &lt;i&gt;der Volkswagen&lt;/i&gt; was just way too-o-o-o-o easy, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Can we all agree that Republicans are not good, consistent representatives of the values, principles and ideas they claim to believe in?</i></p>
<p>Oh, absolutely.  I&#8217;m still pissed about never getting that &#8220;more humble&#8221; foreign policy we were promised in 2000.  Still, on this issue, the GOP Senators are more right than wrong.  The only hope the automakers and the UAW have is following their recommendations.  Otherwise, they&#8217;ll go the way of the Austin Princess.</p>
<p><i>What’s next? Protectionism against German automobiles because Ferdinand Porsche was decorated by the Nazis? Daimler-Benz built aircrafts that bombed American GIs?</i></p>
<p>I guess <i>der Volkswagen</i> was just way too-o-o-o-o easy, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2008/12/16/the-toyota-republicans/comment-page-1/#comment-3139</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 09:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we all agree that Republicans are not good, consistent representatives of the values, principles and ideas they claim to believe in?  Principles that are abandoned when they become painful to uphold are not principles, they’re preferences, and seemingly weak ones at that. 

An argument could be made, up until recently (like 2000), that the GOP was the lesser of evils.  This has since ceased to be the case throughout the course of Bush’s regime, and is now completely bogus.  At least the Dems are more honest about their intentions and vision for the economy.  Repubs have been allowed to pander and bloviate with the free-market rhetoric while completely undermining sound economics in every way imaginable.  They’ve been doing their best to discredit paleo conservative and libertarian scholarship every time they promote supply-side interventionism/mercantilism in the name of free enterprise.  Republicans talked like they knew that democratic socialism didn’t work.  But plutocratic socialism for the rich doesn’t work either. Guess they didn’t know that; they should have asked Adam Smith.

The Establishment Duopoly has the old Cold War coalition relics in a perpetual state of battered wife syndrome, on both sides.  I have hope for the future, if the increasing traffic at Mises.org is any indication, but it seems people too oft forget the basic nature of the State.  The Scorpion can’t help but sting, even if it means his own demise. 

 Not if, but when the USA hits a brick wall, we can anticipate what the Powers that Be are going to do.   More importantly, what are WE going to do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we all agree that Republicans are not good, consistent representatives of the values, principles and ideas they claim to believe in?  Principles that are abandoned when they become painful to uphold are not principles, they’re preferences, and seemingly weak ones at that. </p>
<p>An argument could be made, up until recently (like 2000), that the GOP was the lesser of evils.  This has since ceased to be the case throughout the course of Bush’s regime, and is now completely bogus.  At least the Dems are more honest about their intentions and vision for the economy.  Repubs have been allowed to pander and bloviate with the free-market rhetoric while completely undermining sound economics in every way imaginable.  They’ve been doing their best to discredit paleo conservative and libertarian scholarship every time they promote supply-side interventionism/mercantilism in the name of free enterprise.  Republicans talked like they knew that democratic socialism didn’t work.  But plutocratic socialism for the rich doesn’t work either. Guess they didn’t know that; they should have asked Adam Smith.</p>
<p>The Establishment Duopoly has the old Cold War coalition relics in a perpetual state of battered wife syndrome, on both sides.  I have hope for the future, if the increasing traffic at Mises.org is any indication, but it seems people too oft forget the basic nature of the State.  The Scorpion can’t help but sting, even if it means his own demise. </p>
<p> Not if, but when the USA hits a brick wall, we can anticipate what the Powers that Be are going to do.   More importantly, what are WE going to do?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Brady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Brady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 03:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And, unlike Mitsubishi, General Motors didn’t bomb Pearl Harbor.&quot;

Sorry, Pat.  I couldn&#039;t make it beyond this statement.  

What&#039;s next?  Protectionism against German automobiles because Ferdinand Porsche was decorated by the Nazis?  Daimler-Benz built aircrafts that bombed American GIs?

When will we start doing the right thing instead of always trying to &quot;do right&quot; by the average American?  We&#039;re raising generations of perpetual adolescents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And, unlike Mitsubishi, General Motors didn’t bomb Pearl Harbor.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry, Pat.  I couldn&#8217;t make it beyond this statement.  </p>
<p>What&#8217;s next?  Protectionism against German automobiles because Ferdinand Porsche was decorated by the Nazis?  Daimler-Benz built aircrafts that bombed American GIs?</p>
<p>When will we start doing the right thing instead of always trying to &#8220;do right&#8221; by the average American?  We&#8217;re raising generations of perpetual adolescents.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Copold</title>
		<link>http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2008/12/16/the-toyota-republicans/comment-page-1/#comment-3135</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Copold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,

A lot of us didn&#039;t like the bank bailout either.  Even so, one stupid act does not justify yet another.  Also, the financial industry has been making a number of job layoffs and cutbacks, and they&#039;ll be facing a lot more regulation coming down the pike.

Second, no one is seriously arguing for allowing the companies to disappear.  That was never on the table.  What the GOP Senators wanted was serious commitments to improve the companies.  We&#039;re not just looking at a few billion here.  GM alone owes about $160 billion dollars and counting.  Given the fact that GM was losing money hand over fist when it competitors we&#039;re making money, there&#039;s no reason to believe that bill is going away.  So we need some assurance that the company is going to pay it off, or the taxpayer will be stuck with the tab.

A few other incidental notes:

Toyota NA and Honda NA support the bailout, as it&#039;ll help their suppliers and keep out other international competitors:

http://money.cnn.com/2008/12/15/news/companies/overseas_automakers/index.htm?postversion=2008121517

So, really, the term &quot;Toyota Republicans&quot; is a bit misleading.  

Also, the UAW assembles a number of Mitsubishi products, and they&#039;ve done so for a while, thus the quip about Pearl Harbor is also misplaced.  

In addition, Sen. Corker&#039;s state includes the Saturn facility, which is owned by GM, so his position isn&#039;t based on some bad faith desire to screw over Michigan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>A lot of us didn&#8217;t like the bank bailout either.  Even so, one stupid act does not justify yet another.  Also, the financial industry has been making a number of job layoffs and cutbacks, and they&#8217;ll be facing a lot more regulation coming down the pike.</p>
<p>Second, no one is seriously arguing for allowing the companies to disappear.  That was never on the table.  What the GOP Senators wanted was serious commitments to improve the companies.  We&#8217;re not just looking at a few billion here.  GM alone owes about $160 billion dollars and counting.  Given the fact that GM was losing money hand over fist when it competitors we&#8217;re making money, there&#8217;s no reason to believe that bill is going away.  So we need some assurance that the company is going to pay it off, or the taxpayer will be stuck with the tab.</p>
<p>A few other incidental notes:</p>
<p>Toyota NA and Honda NA support the bailout, as it&#8217;ll help their suppliers and keep out other international competitors:</p>
<p><a href="http://money.cnn.com/2008/12/15/news/companies/overseas_automakers/index.htm?postversion=2008121517" rel="nofollow">http://money.cnn.com/2008/12/15/news/companies/overseas_automakers/index.htm?postversion=2008121517</a></p>
<p>So, really, the term &#8220;Toyota Republicans&#8221; is a bit misleading.  </p>
<p>Also, the UAW assembles a number of Mitsubishi products, and they&#8217;ve done so for a while, thus the quip about Pearl Harbor is also misplaced.  </p>
<p>In addition, Sen. Corker&#8217;s state includes the Saturn facility, which is owned by GM, so his position isn&#8217;t based on some bad faith desire to screw over Michigan.</p>
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		<title>By: Joanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Pat Buchanan absolutely.  AND with Tom.  Exactly the comment that needs to be made over and over in many venues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Pat Buchanan absolutely.  AND with Tom.  Exactly the comment that needs to be made over and over in many venues.</p>
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		<title>By: Ter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, the future is looking increasingly like a place of extremes. Prepare.

You think you&#039;re so separate from the workers who you would supplant Americans with? Do you not get that things are getting quicker?

Do you remember Buchanan being this direct?

Wake up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, the future is looking increasingly like a place of extremes. Prepare.</p>
<p>You think you&#8217;re so separate from the workers who you would supplant Americans with? Do you not get that things are getting quicker?</p>
<p>Do you remember Buchanan being this direct?</p>
<p>Wake up.</p>
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		<title>By: MattSwartz</title>
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		<dc:creator>MattSwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Cheap Labor Conservatives. They’ll do anything to have everybody living in a one room shack, eating a bowl of rice a day. And the south will lead the way.&lt;/i&gt;

Ah, I get it: the future is a place of extremes. There is no intermediate ground between today&#039;s union automaker salaries (and their policy of paying people not to work) and the conditions that prevail in the slums of Asia.

It&#039;s this kind of all-or-nothing brilliance that exacerbated the &quot;Global War on Terror&quot;, the drug war, and most other government foolishness. Scared people support radical policies based on almost-impossible scenarios of future doom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Cheap Labor Conservatives. They’ll do anything to have everybody living in a one room shack, eating a bowl of rice a day. And the south will lead the way.</i></p>
<p>Ah, I get it: the future is a place of extremes. There is no intermediate ground between today&#8217;s union automaker salaries (and their policy of paying people not to work) and the conditions that prevail in the slums of Asia.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s this kind of all-or-nothing brilliance that exacerbated the &#8220;Global War on Terror&#8221;, the drug war, and most other government foolishness. Scared people support radical policies based on almost-impossible scenarios of future doom.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I find absurd, besides some of these posts is that it&#039;s fine to hand 700B to banks with NO oversight but the big 3 can&#039;t get a bridge loan? Our tax money (and that borrowed from China) is going to banks who&#039;s CEO&#039;s are not getting a pay cut and continue all the lavish perks. Meanwhile, the republican clowns in congress suddenly, after 8 years of drunken sailor spending, want fiscal responsibility. Anyone that thinks letting the big 3 go under is fine, is insane. We already have record unemlpoyment. You&#039;d like to add a million more to the count? You have no clue what that would do to the United States.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I find absurd, besides some of these posts is that it&#8217;s fine to hand 700B to banks with NO oversight but the big 3 can&#8217;t get a bridge loan? Our tax money (and that borrowed from China) is going to banks who&#8217;s CEO&#8217;s are not getting a pay cut and continue all the lavish perks. Meanwhile, the republican clowns in congress suddenly, after 8 years of drunken sailor spending, want fiscal responsibility. Anyone that thinks letting the big 3 go under is fine, is insane. We already have record unemlpoyment. You&#8217;d like to add a million more to the count? You have no clue what that would do to the United States.</p>
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		<title>By: The Crossed Pond &#187; Pat Buchanan on the Auto Bailout</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Crossed Pond &#187; Pat Buchanan on the Auto Bailout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] He calls his article &#8220;The Toyota Republicans&#8221;, and I have to admit I&#8217;m pretty much with Pat on this one. Longish money quote:  The $14 billion loan to the Big Three that Republican senators filibustered to death is just 2 percent of the $700 billion the Senate voted to bail out Wall Street. Having gone along with bailouts of Bear Stearns, AIG, Fannie, Freddie and CitiGroup, why refuse a reprieve to an industry upon which millions of the best blue-collar jobs in America depend? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] He calls his article &#8220;The Toyota Republicans&#8221;, and I have to admit I&#8217;m pretty much with Pat on this one. Longish money quote:  The $14 billion loan to the Big Three that Republican senators filibustered to death is just 2 percent of the $700 billion the Senate voted to bail out Wall Street. Having gone along with bailouts of Bear Stearns, AIG, Fannie, Freddie and CitiGroup, why refuse a reprieve to an industry upon which millions of the best blue-collar jobs in America depend? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Posted by Ravi   Sometimes you just have to admire Pat Buchanan  The American Conservative </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Posted by Ravi   Sometimes you just have to admire Pat Buchanan  The American Conservative</p>
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		<title>By: Jerimiah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerimiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am shocked to say I agree with everything Pat Buchanan has written here.  These Hoover Republicans won&#039;t be happy until one person has 99.99% of the wealth and the rest of us our living with 30 people in a studio appartment with a diet consisting of stolen breath mints and dog food.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am shocked to say I agree with everything Pat Buchanan has written here.  These Hoover Republicans won&#8217;t be happy until one person has 99.99% of the wealth and the rest of us our living with 30 people in a studio appartment with a diet consisting of stolen breath mints and dog food.</p>
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		<title>By: Kinderplatz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kinderplatz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Cheap Labor Conservatives. They’ll do anything to have everybody living in a one room shack, eating a bowl of rice a day. And the south will lead the way.&quot;

Feudalism is on the rise again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Cheap Labor Conservatives. They’ll do anything to have everybody living in a one room shack, eating a bowl of rice a day. And the south will lead the way.&#8221;</p>
<p>Feudalism is on the rise again.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] every incentive to go abroad and take their jobs with them, the jobs of Middle America.    The American Conservative </description>
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