- The American Conservative - http://www.theamericanconservative.com -

The Darker Implications of Trump’s Vulgarity

Words matter more than actions, which is why Aristotle defined virtue as “habitual action.” Yet modern politics has reversed the Athenian conventional wisdom regarding “sticks and stones” and “cheap talk.” One of the traits of effective American leaders, argues the presidential historian Richard Reeves, is the realization that it is impossible to govern a nation as large and diverse as the United States with actions, especially when the branches of government are under the control of different parties. It is with words that a president must govern.

During the 2016 presidential election, critics of Donald Trump, along with his opponent, Hillary Clinton, often condemned him for his crudity. Threatening to turn the nation’s political discourse into a transcript of a “Beavis and Butt-Head” episode, Trump made implications about Megyn Kelly’s menstrual cycle, boasted of his large penile endowment, and mocked the idea of “presidential” behavior. Senator Marco Rubio, embarrassing himself more than anyone, attempted to trade juvenile barbs with Trump as a last resort to save his dying candidacy, and Trump’s most fervent supporters, according to many journalists, emulated their idol’s example by transforming his rallies into professional wrestling extravaganzas, chanting “CNN Sucks,” wearing T-shirts with repulsively misogynistic phrases on them, and finding perverse pleasure in shocking their better-mannered compatriots.

A common, and commonly nauseating, defense of Trump’s vulgar behavior was to deflect away from the words and actions themselves with accusations of elitism against his critics. “They just don’t like Trump because he is crude” and “They just don’t like the way he says things” were common refrains for, ironically enough, many conservatives who in any other circumstance would have been aghast at such puerility.

None of this cultural decline was unpredictable. Historian and social critic Morris Berman wrote a trilogy on this very subject, and in the first book, The Twilight of American Culture [1], published in 2000, he observed a general coarsening of American life, found in politics and entertainment, and also in how private citizens relate to one another. Although not a factor in Berman’s book, social media often favors those who can communicate in slick and snarky slogans, and transform even mild disagreements into the rhetorical equivalent of a barroom brawl. It now appears that a significant minority of Americans prefer their leaders to speak and behave in ways that do not elevate their culture, but recreate and enhance its worst elements.

As a consequence, the United States now has a president who reportedly denigrated Haiti and African nations during a meeting with members of Congress as “shithole countries.” Many pundits and politicians have excoriated Trump for the implied racism of his remarks (it is important to note that he followed the insult by wondering aloud why America doesn’t take more immigrants from Norway), while others have, with good reason, focused on the words’ apparent ignorance (African immigrants, after all, have a higher college graduation rate and lower crime rate than the general population).

But there’s another element to what Trump said, one that’s gotten too little attention: its sheer vulgarity. “Shithole” is not only profane, it is ugly. Trump is certainly not the first president to speak with intemperate language. Lyndon Johnson’s tongue was notorious, as was Andrew Jackson’s (the man Trump claims as his hero). President Obama, the most elegant of the modern presidents, privately called the escalating war and dysfunction in Libya a “shit show.”

If reports about Trump’s crude behavior are true, however, he made the statement in a context he knew would make his remarks public, and, as Erick Erickson claims, he later called friends to boast about what he had done. [2]

The ill effects of public vulgarity aren’t as evident as those of bad policy or failures of diplomacy, but they still degrade the American experience, making the general culture less habitable, less enjoyable, and even less beautiful.

Ralph Ellison wrote that one of his goals as an artist and novelist was to “endow inarticulate characters, scenes and social processes with eloquence.” The essentiality of eloquence is indisputable because the interests of art and democracy converge at the point of articulation. “The development of conscious, articulate citizens is an established goal of democracy,” Ellison explains, “and the creation of conscious, articulate characters is indispensable to the creation of resonant compositional centers through which an organic consistency can be achieved in the fashioning of fictional forms.” Literature is what Ellison calls a “symbolic action, a game of as if,” but, like politics at its best, it is also a “thrust toward the human ideal.” Eloquence expresses the ideal, while vulgarity violates it.

Most parents understand Ellison’s wisdom as part of their daily routine. I grew up in a middle class home in the suburbs. As a small child, I once called a classmate’s home on the proverbial “wrong side of the tracks” a “dump.” My mother and father came down on me with swift and severe punishment, making it clear that mockery of another person’s home was morally intolerable.

Now we have a president who talks that way, who not only speaks at the level of a fourth grader, as many linguists have claimed, but uses language that no good teacher would permit in a fourth grade classroom.

Eloquence was essential to the progression of American history, and, through various social and political crises, the maintenance of democracy. The Civil War had Abraham Lincoln. The Great Depression and World War II had Franklin Roosevelt. The civil rights movement had Martin Luther King. The Cold War had John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan. All were superb speakers who used their words to rise to their respective moments, not to cuss out and demean those different from them.

The present crisis is not as immediate or potentially fatal as the ones above, but it is still urgent. It is the combination of widespread mistrust in public institutions, and the slow surrender of civil society in American discourse. Communication, especially in political debate, has become immature, mean-spirited, and shallow. Tantrums seem more prevalent than arguments.

In the role of leadership is a president whose language cannot possibly elevate the ceiling of human ambition; in fact, it can only cause a collapse. Much of the public seems fine with that.

David Masciotra (www.davidmasciotra.com [3]) is the author of four books, including Mellencamp: American Troubadour [4] (University Press of Kentucky) and  Barack Obama: Invisible Man (Eyewear Publishing). [5]

44 Comments (Open | Close)

44 Comments To "The Darker Implications of Trump’s Vulgarity"

#1 Comment By Barney Phife On January 23, 2018 @ 10:02 pm

In Nov 2016 it was Trump or Hillary.

Trump is still the right choice of the 2.

Maybe you can convince GOP primary voters to nominate a less vulgar person for 2020. But he or she better be as conservative.

#2 Comment By LouisM On January 23, 2018 @ 10:15 pm

There are no darker implications because of Trump. The US survived Andrew Jackson and LBJ. The US will survive Trump.

The writer says Trump does not elevate the ceiling of human ambition. Id say that Trump’s speech in Poland was very elevating. The left used to say that they may disagree but would defend to the death freedom of speech but as far back as late 1960s Archie Bunker was today’s version of a deplorable. He survived the depression, survived a father who abandoned his family to look for work, survived fighting in WWII and survived without an education supporting a family off being a foreman for dock laborers. Archie was written as a character to be despised. Edith was written in such a way as any housewife would be mentally and emotionally retarded, ignorant and subservient to her husband. For 60 years that is what the left thought of the uneducated, whites, Christians, husbands, wives, laborers and trades. BOTH THE EDUCATED AND THE UNEDUCATED WERE WRAPPED IN A CELLOPHANE BUBBLE OF LEFTIST FREE SPEECH. ALL OTHER SPEECH WAS IGNORANT, BIGOTED, RACIST, PREJUDICED, DEPLORABLE.

You could say that Trump is setting all americans free to a higher ceiling of human ambition by actually freeing them from political correctness to open dialogue and debate.

For 60+ years the hate speech and violence has been from the left, the media has defended deflected and endorsed the culture of the left, the laws and courts and govt programs have replaced the father and the family. Look no further than 60+ years ago before LBJs great society black families were intact with a mother and father and an intact community and an intact church. 60+ years later 70% of black children are raised by single mothers without a father.

Id say dignity of a job allows people to rise to elevate people to a higher ceiling.

Id say discrediting the media and their attempt to control culture is freeing people to a higher ceiling.

Id say revealing the corruption and collusion the democratic party and their political machines and their deep state unions etc is freeing people to a higher ceiling.

Obama was said to be an eloquent speaker but he was a snake oil salesman corrupting our govt, destroying our sovereignty in favor of globalism, manipulating identity victimization to pit disenfranchisement, anti-American, anti-white, anti-Christian, anti-baby, anti-family, anti-husband, anti-father, etc so they will vote democrat.

The left had conformity ruling the left and fear of malignment of character silencing the right. Trump broke thru nearly all the foundational pillars of the left. People employed will want to stay employed. People who are free will defend their freedom. Trump may be blunt but politeness, diplomacy, tact etc would never have cut thru all the walls and edifices the left has erected over the last 60+ years. Romney was all the things the writer loves in the speech and personality of a republican politician and he was eaten alive by Hillary and Obama. The fact that the writer cannot see this says that they are naïve as too what it takes to lead and implement change.

#3 Comment By Realist On January 24, 2018 @ 4:20 am

“Appealing to the lowest common denominator threatens to drag the entire American experience down the…toilet.”

That turd has sailed. America started it’s toilet trip decades ago thanks to the Deep State.

#4 Comment By Arnold Ian Reeves On January 24, 2018 @ 4:53 am

For LouisM to be incessantly writing “Id” when the context suggests that he meant “I’d” (I’m making the charitable assumption that the verbal incontinence of “LouisM” means anything) rather proves David Masciotra’s original point, no?

#5 Comment By DrivingBy On January 24, 2018 @ 5:40 am

Our betters who claim the vapors about Trump enforced facts on the ground of inviting mass immigration consisting of people who cannot and will not be vetted and who may be leaving their home country because they were considered a menace to their own people, along with some good people, brought in not to assimilate but to identify against the bulk of the country.

Trump is the threat? No, fine and mannered ones, you are.

#6 Comment By EliteCommInc. On January 24, 2018 @ 6:15 am

“There are no darker implications because of Trump. The US survived Andrew Jackson and LBJ. The US will survive Trump. . . .”

There are a lot of sentiments expressed in your comments that I agree with, starting with the above.

I remember the one and only time, i was so ticked that I used inappropriate language to an officer. It was not against the law and what they did was deeply offensive and illegal. And while my attitude was not illegal, I remain embarrassed by my behavior. Political correctness was not initially about using coarse language. Though such use could be politically incorrect, usually it’s just unnecessary. One can be politically incorrect and still remain polite and eloquent. And eloquence is fine, but hardly necessary for appropriate discourse. Most of us are not “eloquent” speakers. We dread public discourse, most people would rather handle snakes than speak in public — I exaggerate. And volumes of communication research we aren’t even eloquent in intrapersonal communication. But polite, and most importantly, the hardest task is listening. One of my favorite Pres despite our disagreement on invasions – Pres bush, was not that eloquent a speaker. But his down home style, people found refreshing – even when he mispronounced words. We expect our Presidents to have some diplomatic skills even issues get heated. And while, I think bluntness/frankness/terse retorts, sarcasm, irony are skills one can be in rebuttal — merely sounding off with colorful language in formal settings (even informal) can create hurdle to the goals one wants to achieve. I can defend Pres Trump, but he makes it harder than it ought to be, in my view.

I would offer this reminder, Pres Trump did not lead most of us. He filled a gap based on our observations and conclusions. He voiced complaints and issues already on the table. The fact that he was willing to take on those issues and so forthrightly is a plus. But that can be achieved without being coarse. But for all of his tough talk, he seems to be bending to the very forces and contentions he beat during the campaign. That’s troubling.

I think many of the critics side step the disapproval openly expressed about Pres Trumps less than polite attitudes and language at times. It does hand in hand with the constant attempt to beat up on those who have rejected a lot of what the establishment has dished out. They also have a tendency to pay fast and loose with the meaning. for example, the “bloody” reference is not by definition about a woman’s cycle. It’s a common reference to rhetorical battles and is often expressed in terms of who got the most bloody in said meeting or in regard to some exchange.

I think we could help the President to serve more effectively, by not excusing such language — though, I certainly understand that the media and his critics should be held to a tight leash. Words do matter.
__________
However, I must say even Christ thought actions speak louder than words. His example was of the son who said he would go and didn’t compared to the son who said he wouldn’t go but did.

“LBJs great society black families were intact with a mother and father and an intact community and an intact church. 60+ years later 70% of black children are raised by single mothers without a father.”

Some interesting stats. The stat you suggest began before LBJ was even in office.
[6]

But I would agree a welfare system designed to support women and mothers as opposed to families will breed feed the dynamic you mention.

#7 Comment By connecticut farmer On January 24, 2018 @ 8:38 am

True enough about Trump but…we’ve been down this road before. Contributor LouisM references the Archie Bunker character. Perhaps if our “betters” had paid more attention to and had a bit more sympathy for the Archie Bunkers of the world instead of turning them from flesh and blood human beings into cartoons then maybe, just maybe, there wouldn’t have been any need for a Don Trump to do it.

#8 Comment By I Don’t Matter On January 24, 2018 @ 8:53 am

“mass immigration consisting of people who cannot and will not be vetted“

This is a lie and has to be called out as such. There is a 2+ year-long vetting process for refugees. I only wish we vetted starting new wars for that long.

#9 Comment By Vierne On January 24, 2018 @ 8:57 am

I like this article, but didn’t you mean to start by saying “actions matter more than words”? The first paragraph makes more sense that way.

#10 Comment By Grace On January 24, 2018 @ 9:18 am

Trump is trash. Period. I didn’t vote for him so I refuse to be embarrassed by him.

#11 Comment By bkh On January 24, 2018 @ 10:00 am

Americans want a government that represents them. They got one. There is no going back. There is no fix for this because there is no fix for the deteriorating culture of America. And no matter how hard one tries to deny it, the disconnect is in the realm of Christianity to which most people want to rebel against. In our search for more freedom, a worse form of slavery has arisen and we will continue to see the results.

#12 Comment By Jones On January 24, 2018 @ 10:08 am

Beautifully put. It’s amazing that people now claim not to understand that part of what makes actions good or bad, moral or immoral, is not just the what, but the how — especially when it comes to how you treat and talk about other people.

#13 Comment By Winston On January 24, 2018 @ 10:44 am

Give me a break… What he may or may not have said in a private conversation is no different than the vulgar language known to have been used by other pols IN PUBLIC. Stop trying to constantly make mountains out of molehills. As far as his vocabulary goes, I’d much rather have someone who says it like it is than some smooth-talking snake who lies and misrepresents with a large vocabulary thereby fooling our general idiocracy into buying his tripe.

#14 Comment By mrscracker On January 24, 2018 @ 10:58 am

Granted Mr. Trump’s use of the English language isn’t George Washington’s, but as you point out, he’s hardly the first president to speak this way. And my guess is that off-mike comments made by most all politicians would be similar.
I think folks were attracted to Mr. Trump in the first place because he’s not pretending to be someone he’s not. And actions speak louder than words. Even vulgar words.

#15 Comment By B On January 24, 2018 @ 11:09 am

And if the establishment Republicans and Democrats had done a better job governing the voters wouldn’t have felt a need to vote for Trump. Better candidates might have helped as well. You had Bernie “everything should be free” Sanders as the other option on the left. And on the right you had Ted “yeah lets carpet bomb our way out of this” Cruz.

#16 Comment By Hal Fiore On January 24, 2018 @ 11:47 am

I would lay a lot of the blame for the decline over my lifetime at the feet of the likes of Abbie Hoffman and John Lennon. As a young man, the rawness seemed honest, refreshing and empowering, and in the service of justice and a much-needed leveling of society. When Lenny Bruce, just slightly before my time, and later George Carlin broke barriers in the mass-mediated realms of communication, it also seemed to be a much-needed blow against stagnant, petrified, in-bred, and unfair social structures of repression.

Little could we on the left have imagined that the monster we created would come back in the form of a much cruder, baser, ignorant and intolerant right. As if to say, “You think you can do savage? We OWN it.” It should have been obvious with the idolization of gun-culture and militarism by the right. We’ve all seen the Confederate flag with the skull superimposed. Want to guess how the person in the pickup sporting that one voted?

As I aged, I moved from the “left,” not to the “right,” or even the “center,” but in the direction of respecting the things of substance and continuity: culture, governance, the Church. As much of the nation recoils from Trump and his darkness, I can’t help but support that rejection, but I also fail to see the solution in an attempt to escalate the same game on the other side.

#17 Comment By JLF On January 24, 2018 @ 11:52 am

Sixty years ago my junior high school shop teacher had aphorisms posted around the shop, one of which read: “Profanity is a feeble mind trying to express itself forcibly.”

In the interim have have never had cause to doubt it. One of my friends once asked why he never heard me swear. My response was why bother?

#18 Comment By Dragon On January 24, 2018 @ 11:54 am

You’ve got it backward.

The problem is that the last 30 years or so have been a non-stop promotion of the lowest common denominator – music, TV, movies – all glorifying an objectively inferior culture.

American culture isn’t the Tardashians, no matter what some perma-drooler might try to tell you – that’s part of the inferior culture that has been pushed as an upgrade to “American culture.”
American culture isn’t [insert talentless raptard here] – that’s also part of the inferior culture that has been pushed as an upgrade.

Schools and the media are co-conspirators.

#19 Comment By mrscracker On January 24, 2018 @ 12:29 pm

“Little could we on the left have imagined that the monster we created would come back in the form of a much cruder, baser, ignorant and intolerant right. …We’ve all seen the Confederate flag with the skull superimposed. Want to guess how the person in the pickup sporting that one voted?”
**********
That seems a bit mean.
I see the Confederate flag on homes & vehicles frequently but have missed the variety with a skull. I had a tag on the front of my previous truck that featured the Confederate flag because it was a part of our state flag. I was sad my newer pickup didn’t come with a front end tag holder, so that old tag resides in my garage.
I belong to the NRA & a Civil War Roundtable. I sing in the choir at church.I try to be civil & never cuss. I even pick up other people’s trash.
I did vote for Mr. Trump but he wasn’t my first choice.
Respecting others can begin by not stereotyping. I think that played a part in getting Mr. Trump elected in the first place.

#20 Comment By Sumerian On January 24, 2018 @ 12:46 pm

Barack Obama secretly used foul language to describe how he was not a good BS’er (you can make the translation) when he described himself as a stanch supporter of traditional marriage. Of course no one even noticed because the press often ignores Democrat statements and protects them by suppressing vulgarity. The press was known to have protected John F. Kennedy as well as Bill Clinton from public scrutiny. The MSM have no problem referring to Roy Moore as a “Child Molester” and claiming moral high ground. The actions of Sen. Al Franken were reluctantly dealt with in order to remove Roy Moore had he won.

#21 Comment By Kathleen Berger On January 24, 2018 @ 1:20 pm

We are witnessing the perversion of all this country stands for…this is nothing short of a hostile takeover by corporate GOP/ALEC/NRA republican leadership hellbent on destroying all that is sacred!

#22 Comment By Whine Merchant On January 24, 2018 @ 4:22 pm

I am concerned that the comments here are going the way of NR/Faux, with any excuse to post a diatribe, especially with racist aspects:

“LBJs great society black families were intact with a mother and father and an intact community and an intact church. 60+ years later 70% of black children are raised by single mothers without a father.”

Remarks about rap music being the product of “an objectively inferior culture…”

– and knee-jerk defenses of Trump with whataboutisms instead of reasoned consideration of the specifics of the issue of the article. Some posters even seem to think if they provide Jesus credentials then anything can be stated without basis.

Many of us do not subscribe to fear of the great unwashed corrupting the nation with funny foods and a hard-work ethic, do not fear that someone from a poor nation is a terrorist by definition, or that there is an evil “deep state” that resembles a bad Hollywood plot.

Many of us do not confuse being Conservative with the GOP/Tea Party shills for the Military/Prison/Fiancial cabal.

#23 Comment By mike On January 24, 2018 @ 4:23 pm

What an incredibly strange article??
Did this guy just arrive from another galaxy?
Haven’t the mass media been bombarding us round-the-clock with vulgarity, obscenity and general crudeness for generations? Throughout the past century, have not our ruling class been celebrating and glorifying garbage culture and rock-bottom standards of behaviour and quality?
Astonishingly, the Establishment are now somehow outraged that one of their opponents sometimes sinks down to their level.
Only a group of people with massive confidence in their own power and invulnerability would put on such a spectacular display of cosmic hypocrisy.

#24 Comment By Janek On January 24, 2018 @ 4:37 pm

In the US the pres. D. Trump’s manners are still high Versaill. If you could read and speak in Polish your ears and your jaw would fall below the sea level if you listened how the ‘total opposition’ and the post-communist politically correct so called ‘liberal’ media speak and express themselves about the current Law and Justice Party government. That sewer is flowing in Polish main stream ‘liberal media’ since circa 2000.

#25 Comment By mrscracker On January 24, 2018 @ 5:06 pm

mike says:
“Haven’t the mass media been bombarding us round-the-clock with vulgarity, obscenity and general crudeness for generations?”
**********
Very true-at least for the last few decades anyway.
I can’t rent a film rated much above “G” without hearing really vulgar language & being exposed to low rent behaviors. I’m not sure why anyone should be terribly surprised that those low standards have gone mainstream off camera.

#26 Comment By Scott from Falkirk, Scotland On January 24, 2018 @ 6:25 pm

Anyone who reads about WWII learns that the British High Command and Civil Service were alternatively annoyed and appalled by their American counterpart’s laungage.
If any Yanks are wondering if the smuttiness and courseness is going to get any worse, I can inform them that it sadly will, they just have to take at look at British culture today for an example of how low low culture can go, and it’s seemingly unstoppable tendency to drag the mainstream down with it.

#27 Comment By Dale McNamee On January 24, 2018 @ 11:48 pm

To paraphrase Jesus Christ… “Let those among you who are not vulgar cast the first stone”…

Since the 1960’s the country and it’s culture has been increasingly growing more vulgar every day…

Just look at what we read, watch, listen to, etc.

Trump’s just the latest…

Also, remember the phrase : “Representative Government” when trying to polish your halos…

#28 Comment By Frederick On January 25, 2018 @ 1:37 am

Twenty years ago my Buddhist teacher insisted that all of his students who could attend the occasion come and view a video which (he said) will give you a very stark and entirely realistic assessment of the nature of American culture in which we living. He did not tell us before hand the title of the video.

The video was Beavis and Butthead Do America.

Afterwards he told us that what was portrayed in the film was an accurate depiction of the usual dreadfully sane USA every-person – especially males. In the movie Beavis & Butthead trashed everything they came across.
Pointing out that it is essentially a “culture” of emotionally retarded adolescents who are obsessed with endlessly stuffing junk “food” into their mouths, and simultaneously wanting to hit upon any female form that crossed their path as they trashed – never succeeding of course because they were so obnoxiously course and vulgar.

In the form of Donald Trump Beavis and Butthead that vulgarity now lives in the Whitehouse.

As such he is systematically degrading whatever (little) virtue there was in America prior to his election as President.

#29 Comment By Wezz On January 25, 2018 @ 1:45 am

Forget Trumps vulgarity… he has a history of borderline criminal behavior and its only getting worse… plus, he may well have a deteriorating brain.

#30 Comment By EliteCommInc. On January 25, 2018 @ 2:37 am

“We are witnessing the perversion of all this country stands for…this is nothing short of a hostile takeover by corporate GOP/ALEC/NRA republican leadership hellbent on destroying all that is sacred”

In light of what took place by liberals in the layte m50′ forewrad, one canbly respond with,

“I beg your pardon . . .”

end of school prayer
murdering children in the womb
love, sex and rockn’roll
same relational relations — APA
no fault divorce
assault on biology
same relational relations as a normal means of expression —
marijuana
movies, TV, radio expansion of appropriate expression
the assault on fatherhood/manhood motherhood, moms

None of the above are hallmarks of conservative and formerly republican agendas.

#31 Comment By EliteCommInc. On January 25, 2018 @ 2:39 am

correction:

In light of what took place by liberals in the late 1950′s foreword, one can only respond with,

#32 Comment By mrscracker On January 25, 2018 @ 10:44 am

Dale McNamee says:

To paraphrase Jesus Christ… “Let those among you who are not vulgar cast the first stone”…”
***********
Exactly. Thank you.

#33 Comment By Mark On January 25, 2018 @ 11:06 am

There’s a time and a place for everything. I think we’re losing the ablity to judge when and where vulgarity is inappropriate. My vocabulary can make a sailor blush, as the saying goes. During my career in private industry, small meetings with my boss often had very coarse language. In larger meetings between departments, we were expected to tone it down. And if you ever used that language around a client, that same boss would later give you a good verbal thrashing. In private, of course.

#34 Comment By Matjaž Horvat On January 25, 2018 @ 12:06 pm

“Eloquence was essential to the progression of American history, and, through various social and political crises, the maintenance of democracy. The Civil War had Abraham Lincoln…”

Hmmm.

“You will take possession by military force, of the printing establishments of the New York World and Journal of Commerce…and prohibit any further publication thereof…you are therefore commanded forthwith to arrest and imprison…the editors, propreitors and publishers of the aforesaid newspapers.” – Abraham Lincoln to General John Dix

Eloquent, sure. But democratic?

“Having suspended habeas corpus, Lincoln ordered the arrest and imprisonment of virtually anyone who disagreed with his views—views that were new, radical, and not yet subject to any debate by the people’s representatives in Congress or by the judiciary. In retrospect, no man who had the least bit of respect for constitutional liberty could ever have done such things. It would have been simply unthinkable to Jefferson, Madison, or Washington.” – Dr. Tom DiLorenzo

#35 Comment By mrscracker On January 25, 2018 @ 2:44 pm

Matjaž Horvat says:

“Eloquence was essential to the progression of American history, and, through various social and political crises, the maintenance of democracy. The Civil War had Abraham Lincoln…”
**********
Lincoln could be eloquent but from what I’ve read he could also tell some pretty off color jokes.
I’m a Southerner & certainly don’t agree with everything Lincoln did but to be fair, it was a time of war.

#36 Comment By EliteCommInc. On January 25, 2018 @ 3:14 pm

“To paraphrase Jesus Christ… “Let those among you who are not vulgar cast the first stone”…”

Far too generous. What Christ said was,

“Let he who is without sin.”

Yet Christ did not condone the behavior.

“Go you therefore and sin no more.”

#37 Comment By laura ann On January 25, 2018 @ 5:23 pm

Cultural and moral decline for sometime, best reason not to raise kids, since America is without hope anyway as globalism pushes their agenda. Younger people have a minus zero future unless they have the right connections (few do), as we descend into a third world dump.

#38 Comment By Cynthia McLean On January 25, 2018 @ 7:53 pm

Trump & Co’s “vulgarity” is not just ugly, it’s dangerous and stokes the violence of mass shootings in schools, at concerts, in churches, as well as acceptance of perpetual wars around the globes that murder and destroy other peoples.

#39 Comment By Vince Bert On January 25, 2018 @ 10:39 pm

Americas been falling rapidly into the toilet since 1965! Immigration, O’Hare, Leary, Savio, Kuenster, MLK, Black Panthers, SDS, Golden Triangle, Kent State, Waco, Ruby Ridge, Clinton, Obama, et all!

#40 Comment By mrscracker On January 26, 2018 @ 9:23 am

EliteCommInc. says:

“What Christ said was,

“Let he who is without sin.”

Yet Christ did not condone the behavior.”
**************
Thank you. That’s exactly right also.
I don’t think anyone here endorses vulgarity. The point was more that in condemning Trump alone for that behavior we’re being very selective & ignoring the high levels of vulgarity accepted in our everyday culture & media. “People who live in glass houses…..”, etc.

#41 Comment By Robert Bruce On January 28, 2018 @ 9:04 pm

We are headed towards what was depicted in the 2006 movie
Idiocracy, but it isn’t going to take another 500 years to get there. I give it 20 years tops. After us Gen Xers are gone there won’t be anybody left to remember what pre 9/11 America was like. Americans are boobs. Twain and
Mencken both knew this long ago, it is getting g o9worse with each passing

#42 Comment By EliteCommInc. On January 30, 2018 @ 12:57 pm

“Trump & Co’s “vulgarity” is not just ugly, it’s dangerous and stokes the violence of mass shootings in schools, at concerts, in churches, as well as acceptance of perpetual wars around the globes that murder and destroy other peoples.”

Ohh nonsense.

Mass shootings have been around long before Mormons started embracing multiple marriage. The number of such incidents fluctuates with spikes, but generally remains constant and is on the decline, even as various politicians adjust the number down so to capitalize on advocating for gun control.

#43 Comment By Brian O’Leary On February 1, 2018 @ 10:49 am

More virtue-signalling from The American Conservative. Troubling.

#44 Comment By lpadron On February 12, 2018 @ 8:58 am

If you don’t like it just change the channel.